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(...) I said "weapons". (...) Nope. (...) OK, Eisenhower was wrong. (...) The debate is about WOMD. (...) I'll blame the US for giving it to Iraq, and having poor bio-secuity. (...) Sure. (...) LOL (...) Check your tax bill. (...) Indeed. I'll have (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the "dingus" part of the thread it isn't important to make sense, have a coherent line of argument, or even stick to a singular theory as to why anything should happen. What *is important* is to merely bully your opinion over on people (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When the economics are driven by race and an undercurrent of societal racism (not in every single person, but as a demonstrable trend in cultural character), then the economics are a symptom of the underlying racism. The fact that you, along (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was thinking in terms of nuclear accidents-- part of the responsibility for utilizing nuclear technology is controlling it. And what of nuclear waste? Somehow I think the USSR didn't care as much for the environment as we did in this regard. (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And for the third time, I assert that you are speaking about economics, not race. But you have managed to bury my original objection to your initial post with a barrage of obfuscation. Well done. -John (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More of them have the "freedom" to go on holiday in Edinburgh [Scotland] than do non-whites. ;) Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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found this interesting link (URL) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, but don't think that those nations are being singled out; much of the US population is living at Third World levels, and they don't get any help from the US-at-large, either. Dave! (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) c /literary/literally/ (...) That's my guess... (if world class == "average" or even "median") (...) Apparently we're offering some as we speak. (URL) see all of them so far: (URL) and go through the calendar to choose them...) I know, I know, (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As did the USA, France and the UK. So why is the USSR worse than the USA? (...) You are being obtuse again. (...) All that's debateble. General Dwight D. Eisenhower: "Japan was at the moment seeking some way to surrender with minimum loss of (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) B as in B, S as in S. The US government gives more in raw dollars than anyone (hardly "dire"), and that doesn't even count *private* giving... -John (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You: I inferred that white folks have more "freedoms". Well, what are they? -John (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, this is pure dogma. Read the text again. (...) 1) Who has been stopping companies investing in Cuba? 2) The USA has a dire record in offering development and humanitarian aid to developing countries [~1.25 dollars per U.S. citizen in (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I never said there are "US laws that limit freedoms according to race". Did I? It is you who are squirming by avoiding the point - despite the fact that it has been made by more than just me. Shut-up or Put-up. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The USSR denotated plenty of nuclear bombs. Or did you mean killing people at the same time? Yeah, we dropped 2 nukes (tiny by today's standards), but reluctantly. Had we a cache of bombs we would most certainly have provided a little (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Squirm. Please provide examples if you can of US laws that limit freedoms according to race. -John (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You literary make me laugh out loud. Scott, why do you suppose Cubans risk their lives almost daily to try and land on US shores? To escape world class healthcare and education?? You think Cuba is doing well, eh? Let's wait until Castro (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't forget Comrade Castro! Take a look at what communism provides for Cubans in terms of healthcare and education: (URL) years ago this system was being ridiculed everywhere. Now, the world is not so sure." Scott A (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Has it dropped "the bomb", has it used biological and chemical weapons the way the USA has? I think not. (...) Not quite right, but does the means justify the end? (...) No john, it's a fact. You know. I know it. It's a fact. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John, You are being obtuse again. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now ask: Q: Whose reasoning for use of nuclear weapons do you trust more-- Iraq or the US? A: ? -John (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, we won (the fight with the *former* USSR), but still wage the battle. -John (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: <snip> Please tell me that you are kidding here, because if you aren't, you are a looney. -John (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, you inferred wrongly. They have the same "freedoms" everyone else has. There is one law for everyone. (...) Give me an example of an American law that grants whites more freedoms than blacks. (...) Sounds like an economic issue to me as (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We are winning. It ain't over yet. There are still the PDRK and PRC to deal with... (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The former USSR. (...) You go, spin doctor. The cold war was a battle of idealogies-- Communism vs Capitalism. We won. As far as Israel goes, that is your POV and not fact; we just see things differently. -John (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A judicial branch that is beholden to the son of an ex-president doesn't seem like much of a check and balance, but in theory.... (...) I thought the X-Files was cancelled? (...) Wrong Texan (not that I'd count Mr. Preppy as a real Texan). (...) (22 years ago, 11-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Interesting question / answer session: Q: Does Iraq have nuclear weapons capability? A: Probably (or close anyway), but not enough information. Q: Assuming they do, would they be prepared to use it in a war if they thought it justified? A: (...) (22 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Total crap -- it would be true in a constitutional or purely theoretical system; alas, we have only the government that has been left to us. Plus, you act as if everything going on is above board, and it is fairly obvious that much goes on (...) (22 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So who trained OBL? Who funded terrorists in central America? Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought that was self-evident. I read a quote the other day which I liked. It's from Ted Turner: "If I only had a little humility, I'd be perfect." Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, "responsible" is not the word I would use - name me a country that has a worse record with nuclear, biological and chemical weapons? In the cold war, the USA [and others] tried to destabilise many nations. Today, the USA funds human (...) (22 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is anacdotal, but the EU countries spend more of thier GDP on education, and have higher adult literacy than the USA. At best, US school spending is average. Scott A (22 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope. I inferred that white folks have more "freedoms". That view is not "class warfare". That view is not “racism”. It’s a fact. When I was in Seattle a couple of months ago I notices 2 things: 1. Beggars tended to be black [and there was a (...) (22 years ago, 10-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is why our Founding Fathers created a government of checks and balances. Our executive branch has no such thing and absolute power. A nice aphorism, but not germane. But I will hold the example our world dominance today up against any (...) (22 years ago, 9-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, that's the problem now, isn't it? There *are* those in this world who can't just live and let live. If we don't subscribe to their particular POV, then we must be killed. There isn't much room for compromise there. And BTW, those who nit (...) (22 years ago, 9-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps you'd care to prove the correlation between "more money spent on education" and "better education"? It hasn't held up too well under close examination so far. BTW, welcome to .debate! (22 years ago, 9-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Perhaps you should remember this and then start to worry about how much power your president has. (22 years ago, 9-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can only suppose you don't know the answer to this or you would have never posed the question. The white. Oh, it's not as bad as it was during the sixties, but since the people in charge of hiring are still overwhelmingly white males, that's (...) (22 years ago, 9-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps instead of spending so much money on fighting a war, the ruling party over there in the USA should spend some more money on education so that you could learn the difference between your and you're. Maybe if there wasn't so much pig (...) (22 years ago, 9-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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