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(...) Whoa. Dude. Freaky. The article number was 1227, but the trailing "7" seems to have been chopped off. Let's see if this works: (URL) that, try this... /off-topic/debate/?n=1227 The disclaimer still stands, though. ;-) (...) Hmm. It's difficult (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or doesn't work, since we keep having wars. :( Yep, the American media does a great job to stir up hatred as to somehow justify it's shameful foreign policy. Omitting facts about the Holocaust by repeating (and repeating) only the figures on (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In my view, since the film was about Schindler's List, anyone outside of the direct effect of The List is irrelevant to the film. That's not to say their deaths weren't tragic or aren't signficant, but they are beyond the intended scope of the (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It should be noted that Speilberg is Jewish. This doesn't forgive his ignoring other pogroms, of course, but it is significant. (...) This has been hashed over in this newsgroup before; here's my take (1) on it: (URL) few of those points I've (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Me too. His films are kitchy but somehow super fun. My favorite scene was with the folding-ladder combat in First Strike. Cheers, - jsproat (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm guilty (gulp) of watching a few of them, mostly as background noise in the apartment with me occaisionally asking "What is this crap?" The stupidest scene to watch is the car chase in "Above the Law". We discover that Segal has the magic (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Richard, Wow, that was an excellent post! Yes, I agree that we should remember all the victims of the Holocaust. I feel it does justice to the memory of the Jewish victims when we don't single them out, because doing so creates a hipocrisy. When (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I like the Postman, although it is quite different from the book and an awful load of parts are omitted. Actually I generally like the plots like "hey people, lets unite and save the world" kind. Do you remember the old TV series Visitors (I (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I never went to cinema to see his films, but I try to catch every piece when aired on TV. The part that I like most is "these stupid things occurred while filming" part that at the end of most of his films. Do you see the one with a very big (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I never saw the film but when it came out and it was on the movie review shows I remember really liking the fact that they killed him off right at the start of the movie :-) Steve (23 years ago, 23-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Jones is always a treat. I don't think Ms. Eleniak did too badly, considering that the part was only written with two things in mind. Anyway, it's not like the role (or the film) allowed deep character development. (...) I couldn't remember (...) (23 years ago, 23-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dave Schuler at orrex@excite.com wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) <snip> Hmm, I rather like Robin Hood. I think all the actors in it are quite good. Bearing in mind that Kevin Costner isn't an "actor" ;^) ~Grand Admiral Muffin Head (23 years ago, 23-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The only good thing about Under Siege is Tommy Lee Jones. I should note that Segal is at least a better actor than the bimbo in that movie (damned with faint praise <g>). I liked Segal in Executive Decision - I got to cheer when he died! (...) (...) (23 years ago, 23-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I refuse to allow myself to think of Costner in those terms. (...) Costner fails more spectacularly than Segal is allowed to because Costner presumes more spectacularly than Segal is allowed to. I understand that On Deadly Ground (what was (...) (23 years ago, 23-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You also think the top less scene with Erika Eleniak was that movies greatest part huh? ,) Steven Segal, yes. Quite bad. But at least I saw the movies to the end, I don't know how many Jean Claude Van Dam movies I've turned off though... (...) (23 years ago, 23-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You left out Producer and Director... (...) Hey now. The Postman wasn't *dreadful*. It could have been a LOT better, mind you, as anyone who read the book would attest, but it wasn't as bad a mangle of a good book as Starship Troopers was. (...) (23 years ago, 23-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Steve, I think you posted to the wrong group. This group is for debates--NOT undeniable truths! Segal is so unbelievably awful that the best thing you can say about him is that Under Seige didn't suck quite as bad as his other films, but Segal (...) (23 years ago, 23-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Possibly. I am not sure who, though. Remember it's much easier to name someone the "best so far" because the best tend to rise to be visible, but the worst fortunately (in most cases anyway) stay obscure. (...) I have, unfortunately, seen some (...) (23 years ago, 22-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The "6 million Jews"/"12 million people" confusion has been prevalent for a long time. A reasonable speculation would be that the holocaust most primarly did target Jews, and they are also the largest demographic of holocaust survivors, and (...) (23 years ago, 22-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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With all this anti - Micheal Crichton bile going around I can't help thinking that we should fix Steven Segal's wagon first. Is their a martial artist with less acting talent and a worse on-screen persona than him? I wouldn't like to see their films (...) (23 years ago, 22-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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