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I ashamed to say that this information came out of Canada: (URL) disrespect to Mr. Martens of Project Peacemakers, but I think there are so many worse things in the world to worry about. If Bionicles are violent, then I shudder to think what all (...) (20 years ago, 15-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Me too. My parents didn't let me watch them, believe it or not. I did anyway though. (...) No, they're certainly cartoonlike. (...) Or just the first time they were big enough for these guys to notice them. I share your feelings about these (...) (20 years ago, 15-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) I was flipping through a toy catalog the other day (Hearthsong, I think), and I came upon a page with some Bionicle sets. I was shocked to realize how out-of-place the Bionicle sets seemed. Very evil and ominous seeming. (...) That's true. But (...) (20 years ago, 15-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) When did this "huge step" take place? I've got a poor grasp of LEGO history, but if you want sets with slightly implicit violence, this "trend" has been going on for at least decades (western theme, with cowboys & indians, guns, bows and (...) (20 years ago, 15-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Not to add fuel to the debate fires, but I would like to throw out one point in this discussion. Nothing like starting my return to posting after vacation with a debate! :) Many tend to confuse the terms/concepts of "violence" and "conflict". (...) (20 years ago, 15-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch, FTX)
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(...) Let's hope one of those things is Canada's own MegaBloks! Personally, I'd like to see Lego produce tanks and battleships and fighter jets. People who are vehement enough to NOT buy violent toys are going to find violence everywhere. Knight's (...) (20 years ago, 15-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) That's for darned sure. Meanwhile, it's considered un-patriotic to criticize the actual violence inflicted upon innocent civilians overseas (well, "overseas" relative to the US, I mean). I had all kinds of toy guns and knives when I was a kid, (...) (20 years ago, 15-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch, FTX)
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(...) No no no. According to Bricklink (URL) are clearly "handles". This is so your super-strong minifig can pick up the spaceship by the nose and put it away on the shelf. (...) Again, you are misconstruing. Both this and the Alpha-1 Rocket Base (...) (20 years ago, 15-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Parts of this thread appear to be veering that way, yes.I probably should have set the FUT myself on my post way back up thread. I'll forcefut the thread or parts, if people ask me to offline. (20 years ago, 16-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch, FTX)
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(...) My apologies. I think I may have inadvertently spun the thread into a debate mode. In all honesty, that wasn't my intention. I should have just posted the link and kept my comments to a minimum. Regards, Allan B. (20 years ago, 16-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) As I noted in a reply to Larry, I didn't really intend for this thread to turn into a debate, but then I also should have been more careful with my comments. That's what happens when I post early in the morning with my pouty-face, (...) (20 years ago, 16-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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Wait until this set comes out: (URL) No, that's not a spear, it's a walking stick. And that other one's holding a telescope. Johnathan (20 years ago, 16-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) I'm not into Bionicle, but I could not help but notice things like claws, flaming swords, spear-like contraptions, etc[1] on these "things". Items I would usually connect to "violence" instead of "conflict". I noticed a lack of (...) (20 years ago, 16-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Cats have claws. Does that make a cat violent? Well, it may, but only when provoked... Question--who does the provoking? As much as I don't collect Bionicle, I have found through the (free) comic books and the Lego-produced movies, there is a (...) (20 years ago, 16-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Well cats have claws. But they are there for hunting (and destroying furniture), and they are comparably small. Compare the Bionicle claws to the overall size of the "figures". And cats do not use spears or flaming swords... (...) Thinking and (...) (20 years ago, 17-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) This point is completely irrelevant. There is always a gulf between the way a toy is marketed and the children play with them. Take, for example, Hotwheels or Matchbox cars. I would assert the that way these toys are marketed to kids is a (...) (20 years ago, 17-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) A reasonable well thought out book on the subjects of children and violent play that I have flipped through recently is Killing Monsters Why Children Need Fantasy, Super Heroes, and Make-Believe Violence by Gerard Jones, Lynn, Md. Ponton (URL) (...) (20 years ago, 17-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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In lugnet.mediawatch, Christian Treczoks wrote: SNIP (...) They don't? Your cats must suck. Soren (20 years ago, 17-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch, FTX)
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Looking at 2004 Lego catalog cover I can't help but see a lot of aggression -it is all swords, teeth, claws, etc. Everyone can understand - this is a pure marketing, that's what american children would buy. But, after all, how else can you prepare (...) (20 years ago, 17-Nov-04, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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I first saw this thread almost as a troll - an article that had legitimate concerns over violent toys mentioned Lego and all the Lego fans rushed blindly to the defense of their favorite toy. But I think two very important discussion points have (...) (20 years ago, 18-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) So why can't you just buy sets and give him only the "approved parts"? (...) A real conviction should triumph over this, hands down. (...) Your argument is divided between building and play. In building, it is impossible to determine what will (...) (20 years ago, 18-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Ok, what kid doesn't play with any of his toys that way no matter what they are? As a kid I had a couple friends whose parents absolutely INSISTED that they'd have no violent toys in the house. Star Wars toys? Nope. Transformers? Nope. But (...) (20 years ago, 18-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Hello Thomas, As the one who posted the link and started this thread I can assure you that it was in no way meant to be a troll of any kind. I hope my past postings on LUGNET are proof enough that I'm just not that kind of person. However, I (...) (20 years ago, 19-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) Thank you very much! As I said, I very much prefer Lego for the creativity values it once represented (and which it tries to regain), but the current set design is very unattractive to me and other adults I talked to. Kids might like Bionicle (...) (20 years ago, 19-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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Christian Treczoks wrote in message ... (...) I can't speak for toy stores in the US, but in my part of Canada, in independent toystores (I don't see it in department stores at all), Playmobil has as much or more shelf space as LEGO, usually right (...) (20 years ago, 19-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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(...) While searching for something else, I came across TLCs statement about the recall of 6776 immediately following the September 11th attacks. I believe it has relevance with respect to what Jake says above... (URL) Its also interesting to note (...) (20 years ago, 30-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch, FTX)
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(...) ...others may confuse the terms/concepts of "competition" and "conflict". These two cannot and should not be used interchangably. ;) (...) The problem is that sports marketing tends to represent "competition" as "conflict". (...) Isn't the (...) (20 years ago, 12-Apr-05, to lugnet.mediawatch, FTX)
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