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Re: LEGO sells "violent" toys?
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Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:24:46 GMT
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In lugnet.mediawatch, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.mediawatch, Allan Bedford wrote:
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If Bionicles are violent, then I shudder to think what all those Bugs Bunny
cartoons did to my mushy childhood mind all those years ago.
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Me too. My parents didn’t let me watch them, believe it or not. I did anyway
though.
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Unless, of course,
Bionicles are based on real people. Did I miss some memo, or am I looney to
think that Bionicles are just cartoon-like characters?
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No, they’re certainly cartoonlike.
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I also wonder if Bionicles made his list last year, and the year before... or
if this is the first time he’s decided that they are violent.
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Or just the first time they were big enough for these guys to notice them.
I share your feelings about these guys but on the other hand, I do agree. LEGO
isn’t the biggest offender but they ARE trending toward more violence, and
have been for years.
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Not to add fuel to the debate fires, but I would like to throw out one point in
this discussion. Nothing like starting my return to posting after vacation with
a debate! :)
Many tend to confuse the terms/concepts of “violence” and “conflict”. These two
cannot and should not be used interchangably.
Conflict is simply showing a struggle between two sides. Conflict has been a
significant part of play for as far back as play patterns have been tracked.
Think cops and robbers, cowboys and indians, etc. Conflict based play is not
only normal and natural, it’s an important part of a child’s (especially boys)
growth. Think about the important lessons that are learned when conflict is
shown and then resolved in a positive way.
Violence is unhealthy, over-the-top, gory interpretation of these conflict play
patterns. I’ve always thought of the difference between conflict and violence
being the difference between an action figure with Kung-Fu grip versus a figure
with a voice module that says he’s going to kill the other figure while the
other figure’s head pops off with blood gushing.
Many of the toys I can remember playing with as a child (at least the favorites
that stick out) were conflict based - He-Man, GI Joe, Transformers, etc. - but
not particularly violent.
The example of the cartoons is a good one. I don’t think that Looney Toons are
violent, I think they are steeped in conflict themes. Ren and Stimpy, however,
are violent (things pop off, blood gushes, etc.)
Many people, myself included, believe that sports are an important part of a
child’s growth. Why? Because sports are on of the best examples of conflict
themes out there. Think about what a sports game actually is: A mini-conflict
between two groups both trying to get something. There are many great lessons to
be learned from sports, many of them revolving around the “conflict themes”.
So I guess the point I’m making is something can be conflict based without being
violent.
FWIW...
Jake
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Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Team
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Message has 5 Replies:
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| (...) As I noted in a reply to Larry, I didn't really intend for this thread to turn into a debate, but then I also should have been more careful with my comments. That's what happens when I post early in the morning with my pouty-face, (...) (20 years ago, 16-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
| | | Re: LEGO sells "violent" toys?
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| (...) I'm not into Bionicle, but I could not help but notice things like claws, flaming swords, spear-like contraptions, etc[1] on these "things". Items I would usually connect to "violence" instead of "conflict". I noticed a lack of (...) (20 years ago, 16-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
| | | Re: LEGO sells "violent" toys?
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| I first saw this thread almost as a troll - an article that had legitimate concerns over violent toys mentioned Lego and all the Lego fans rushed blindly to the defense of their favorite toy. But I think two very important discussion points have (...) (20 years ago, 18-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
| | | Re: LEGO sells "violent" toys?
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| (...) While searching for something else, I came across TLCs statement about the recall of 6776 immediately following the September 11th attacks. I believe it has relevance with respect to what Jake says above... (URL) Its also interesting to note (...) (20 years ago, 30-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch, FTX)
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| (...) ...others may confuse the terms/concepts of "competition" and "conflict". These two cannot and should not be used interchangably. ;) (...) The problem is that sports marketing tends to represent "competition" as "conflict". (...) Isn't the (...) (20 years ago, 12-Apr-05, to lugnet.mediawatch, FTX)
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| (...) Me too. My parents didn't let me watch them, believe it or not. I did anyway though. (...) No, they're certainly cartoonlike. (...) Or just the first time they were big enough for these guys to notice them. I share your feelings about these (...) (20 years ago, 15-Nov-04, to lugnet.mediawatch)
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