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| | | I came across the following in rec.toys.lego James Morrison <morrcjt@NOSPAMmelbpc.org.au> wrote in message news:8bjvl2$8c8 $1@possum.melbpc.org.au... (...) So how come the photo is the same one as mine in (URL) PINCHED IT OFF MY WEB SITE! He (...) (25 years ago, 26-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Dylan Reardon
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| | | | | lawrence wilkes wrote in message ... (...) Probably.. (...) I guess that will be reveiled to the highest bidder come the end of the auction. (...) My guess is that he has the item, is selling it, doesn't have a scanner, saw your pi already cut out, (...) (25 years ago, 26-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Lawrence Wilkes
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| | | | | | (...) I took it much more negatively than this There are other resources like Pause and Brickset you can link to to show pictures of sets if you dont have a scanner or digitial camera. Whereas this looks more like trying to pass off an impression (...) (25 years ago, 26-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | (...) Can you show us how he MUST have gone to your main page and copied it from there, instead of just fleecing it from your auction page? Because I just saved both images from the auction listings only and they're identical. He probably never saw (...) (25 years ago, 26-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Lawrence Wilkes
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| | | | | | (...) Because the image shown in ebay is linked to my website, its not on ebays. Therefore by copying it, albeit whilst perhaps viewing it via ebay, he is copying it from my web site. (...) You dont have to see a copyright notice to violate (...) (25 years ago, 26-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction) !
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| | | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | (...) Well, technically, he isn't linking to your picture. He copied your picture and is linking to his copy on his own site. But I see your point. (...) Sure you are. I think it is a little silly to get bent out of shape over it, but like I said, I (...) (25 years ago, 26-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Kela Akira Kitkowski
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| | | | | | | | I have to digress on the comment. Since the original Owner of the Picture HAAD a copyright on it (i'm not sure if he had a marking on his picture) but undder eBay's Rules, this is considered to be a violation of a Copyright rule. Stealing a part of (...) (25 years ago, 26-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Gloria Summers
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| | | | | | (...) It doesn't matter whether the person copied it from his web site or his eBay auction page, it is still his picture. His auction started first, he has the picture on his web site, it is his only. Not seeing a copyright notice does not excuse (...) (25 years ago, 26-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Ryan Dennett
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| | | | | | I want to know where Lawrence's supposed copyright notice is. I went to his site and didn't see anyhting. I think this discussion has gone far enough. It could keep on going and just get people mad at each other. I think the most logical thing is (...) (25 years ago, 26-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Lawrence Wilkes
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| | | | | | | Ryan Dennett <rdennett@firehousemail.com> wrote in message news:Fs1sDv.Hq0@lugnet.com... (...) his (...) Its at the bottom of the page (where such things usually are) and says "copyright 2000 Lawrence Wilkes". Not hard to find. And you dont need a (...) (25 years ago, 26-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Modern copyright law doesn't require any display of copyright notices. In fact, if you don't wan't something to be copyrighted, you have to specifically say that, otherwise you still own the copyright (assuming it's your own intellectual (...) (25 years ago, 26-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction) !
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| | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Christopher Lindsey
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| | | | | (...) I've found people copying my photos in the past on Ebay (which bugged me even more because they managed to schedule their auctions just before and just after mine). I sent a note to the support folks at Ebay, who in turn contacted the user and (...) (25 years ago, 26-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | (...) Looks like he pinched it right off your eBay listing, without even going to your website, and thus, without seeing your copyright notice. It's eBay. It happens. Heck, I've done it with pictures of Gameboys and other things before. (...) Well, (...) (25 years ago, 26-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Lawrence Wilkes
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| | | | | | (...) No we dont. But given the position of lugnet members in general to protecting TLC'c copyright, I would expect members to understand my position in defending mine Perhaps not of such commercial impact, but copyright is copyright. And this guy (...) (25 years ago, 26-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Gus Altobello, Jr.
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| | | | | (...) [...] (...) [...] All other questions aside, and apart from the "well, it happens" attitude expressed in some posts, it's your picture and the seller had no right to it. Yes, "it happens" all the time, it's theft, it's copyright infringement (...) (25 years ago, 26-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Mike Poindexter
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| | | | | Well, I understand this happening. I have done it to other people's pictures and they have done it to mine. I never considered it a major problem, but I have only once had an email from somebody. That person was mad and I told him it happens all the (...) (25 years ago, 30-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | (...) A couple things. First, grandfathered eBay sellers may not have a credit card on file. Second, while I don't know how things have changed, I have been burned by one seller (who burned a bunch of other people). I've given up trying to recover (...) (25 years ago, 30-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Mike Poindexter
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| | | | | | | | True, some sellers have been grandfathered in, but how many people who are going to do fraudulent activity have an account that old? I would venture to say that most people who would have done that probably already have. Fraud is a big deal, but (...) (25 years ago, 30-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Lawrence Wilkes
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| | | | | | (...) So basically you are saying that copyright means nothing and you believe that anything that anything that is on the web is up for grabs? Putting that small issue to one side (as you dont seem to believe in copyright judging from your post), (...) (25 years ago, 30-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Mike Poindexter
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| | | | | | lawrence wilkes <lawrence_wilkes@msn.com> wrote in message news:Fs8zDC.8o4@lugnet.com... (...) that (...) No, I am not basically saying that. You have a copyright for that picture posted where they can't see it (i.e. it isn't in the auction listing) (...) (25 years ago, 30-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Christopher Lindsey
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| | | | | | | (...) Loss of income (or potential income) is basically the crux of the issue. If you can prove that you potentially lost $2500 due to copyright infringement, it's a felony. I suppose if you had an auction for a really expensive item and someone (...) (25 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Gus Altobello, Jr.
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| | | | | | | On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:41:53 GMT, "Mike Poindexter" <lego@poindexter.cc> wrote: [... many snips...] (...) Wrong. There was ample evidence that this picture was not a "public domain" set picture. That evidence is that there was no statement saying (...) (25 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Mike Poindexter
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| | | | | | | | Gus Altobello Jr <altobello@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:g638esgabu57n7u...4ax.com... (...) if (...) on (...) Agreed. (...) people (...) at (...) cost (...) cents, (...) it (...) of (...) NO! That is something that has actual artistic or (...) (25 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Lawrence Wilkes
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| | | | | | | If you look at my original posts I didnt go on about copyright. I only observed that he ignored it, and on copyright grounds alone I could have asked for the auction to be stopped. Which I didnt. The main point I made was that this was someone (...) (25 years ago, 31-Mar-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Jeff Stabile
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| | | | | | | <major snip> I may be wrong and I'm certainly no lawyer but doesn't a copyright actually involve more than just SAYING its copyrighted? Similar to a patent? And doesn't abuse of a copyright mean damage to profits or income ala pirated movies and (...) (25 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Kevin Wilson
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| | | | | | (...) No. If you produce an original work, you have copyright in it automatically. You can register it if you wish, but you don't have to. (...) No. If you sue someone for copyright infrigement, then actual monetary loss comes into it, but copyright (...) (25 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Scott Runkle
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| | | | Even if he did copy this picture off your website, you have no copyrights to it anyway, because you scanned in a copyrighted photo from a Lego brochure. As far as copyrights, it only covers original work you've done, not pictures or brochures (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | (...) I thought it was a photo of a set box that we were discussing. (...) You might want to check with a good IP or copyright lawyer on this, I have heard differently. Of course, if you ARE a good IP or copyright lawyer, feel free to carry on. (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | (...) Nope. It was a photo of the assembled set, sitting in/next to the box, on the person's dining room table. The photo on the offending auction has been changed (possibly because the seller of the original auction complained to eBay?), and the (...) (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Thanks for the clarification. Even LESS covered by Lego copyright and even MORE covered by the copyright asserted by the person who took the photo. ++Lar (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | (...) Yep. That's what I was getting at. :D eric (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | Re: Ebay acution - Potential Fraud? —Lawrence Wilkes
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| | | | (...) The guy removed my original picture and replaced it with the loego brochure scan after I complained to him So what you see now isnt what I originally complained about regards lawrence (25 years ago, 2-Apr-00, to lugnet.market.auction)
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