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Part of growing up is learning how to march to the beat of your own drum. If you realize that there is actually noting at all wrong with you purchasing LEGO (with or without your mom), you should have no problem. If you find yourself worrying about (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Well, you're right. However I will say that I wish we hadn't gotten our Durango, it's a gashog, and I'd rather have spent the extra gas money on something else. Getting Josette to drive the Stratus (which get 35 mpg driven correctly) is a (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) wouldn't (...) I'd like to hear more about the idea of true costs. What would be included in the true costs of automobile ownership? The cost of maintaining roads? The cost of pollution? -- Jeff <jthompson@esker.com> "Float on a river, forever (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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Kevin, (...) purchases, (...) theirs. (...) make (...) your (...) Funny how with one sentence you say you should not worry about what other people think about purchases, and then in the next sentence, you are worried about other people's purchases. (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) He did state using a SUV as a "commuter" was stupid. I'd tend to agree. Of course I drive an hour to work, so 15 MPG won't work for me 'cause I don't get paid that much. Also I want to blame those types of vehicles for why our gas prices have (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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Scott E. Sanburn wrote in message <000f01bfedc4$bc6260...d0@SES>... (...) WHO'S TO BLAME FOR HIGH GAS PRICES? The Environmental Protection Agency, that's who. We learn this from a June 5th memo written for Energy Secretary Bill Richardson (you (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Travis, Many of us would agree with you. Driving in Los Angeles is complicated enough without adding cumbersome, useless SUVs onto our freeways and city streets. You can't see through them, or around them, and they tend to cut off anything (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Not disagreeing with you, just giving a different if not rambling point of view... Barbara and I drive a Chevy 3/4-ton, extended cab, short bed pickup; and a Ford Escort -- with the commuting emphasis leaning towards the pickup. Our commute time to (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Scott, (...) I agree people who purchase such vehicles though, well within their rights, are selfish and ignorant. Not the normal kind of ignorance, but a willful ignorance of the true cost of such vehicles. The US does not fight wars in the mideast (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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Folks, This is drifting off into a SUV debate, and not a lugnet general discussion. Please drop general if you have no LEGO issues to discuss. FUT off.topic.debate please Scott S. -- Systems Administrator-Affiliated Engineers -> (URL) Page -> (URL) (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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Travis, (...) worried (...) (like (...) the (...) you (...) That's great. (...) don't get (...) There are always other jobs. It is a thriving economy, after all. (...) I blame the government, sir. No hee hee's needed. Scott S. -- (24 years ago, 14-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James J. Trobaugh writes: The Clintonistas said the price spikes in the Midwest couldn't be I don't know why, but when I read a term like "Clintonista" it makes me want to tune out the rest of the dialog. It's like the (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Absolutely right! ...It should be "Clintonisto". A "Clintonista" is usually just someone who has... You know... While wearing a raspberry beret... The kind that you find at a second-hand store... Actually, I have never before heard the term, (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I see nothing wrong SUVs. People are just complaining because they are so big, and they use poor gas mileage as a "side excuse" when the fact is the average gas mileage of an SUV is going up and the biggest gas-guzzlers in the country are all (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Patrick and all, Folks, one more time, this is not related to LEGO anymore, it is typical environmentalist grumblings about SUV's. PLEASE DROP postings to lugnet.general. Todd, can you help here? All messages with this heading will be dropped from (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I find the idea that people are buying them, in part, because they are safer in collisions due to their mammoth size, to be a *little* disturbing. It's like an arms race, safety via momentum. Of course the more massive, better-armored (...) (24 years ago, 14-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well Jeff that's an interesting way to look at things you don't agree with in life. If you see or read a word you don't like, heck just ignore the rest of the subject matter no matter if it is fact or fiction. It's attitudes like yours that (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is not true. The idea that SUV's (btw, I don't consider Suburbans to be SUV's because they were around and well designed before yuppies destroyed^H^H^H discovered the class) are safe is purely the result of marketing them that way. Just (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) big, (...) One thing I would be curious about is if there is a higher rate of fatality in humongous SUV vs humongous SUV than between say two mid-size cars (I wouldn't be surprised if two sub-compacts in a collision causes more fatalities due (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) true (...) Those and more. Cost of building the roads. True insurance costs (one thing which seems a bit wrong to me is that when the other guy is at fault, insurance covers the cost of the damage, but doesn't do anything to cover the cost of (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) might (...) Kevin, Why do you say they don't make Suburbans any more? I know they are changing the name for the 2001 models, but they still make them. (URL) if it wasn't for my commute and the fact that they cost in the high 30's I would by (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't have any fatality rates, but I do know that if a small child is hit by a truck, his chances of survival versus being hit by a car are almost three times greater. I completely forgot the reason, it has to be with the truck taking the (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) in (...) Something sounds odd here, unless the situation is actually that the small child may just be grazed by the truck since it is higher off the ground. (...) <snip> (...) Is that system in any of the SUVs owned by the average person? I (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) X- (...) Not at current. The system is only on the Land Rover Discovery II. It will soon be offered on the X-Series and Land Rover Range Rover and Land Rover Freelander V6. DaimlerChrysler uses a system called ESP, which helps keep the M-Class (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, I don't think so. I just find terms like that to be signs of lazy thinking. A cute label gets put on a group by a clever radio commentator or columnist, and I can get some pleasure from that, but then the term get picked up and parroted (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure they do... it's just called "Yukon" now because the marketing folks at GM decided "suburban" sounded too "soccer mom-ish" ~M (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, it is called Yukon XL, for eXtra Large. Yukon is a name that has been used on the short wheelbase Suburban (Tahoe over at Chevy) since 1993. This fall, they will also introduce to new monsters, Denali and Denali XL. (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) might (...) Since when? The 2000 Chevrolet Suburban is all-new and redesigned (and more fuel efficient). The GMC Suburban is now called the GMC Yukon XL. (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The name is not changing for 2001. They are introducing a new variant called Avalanche, which has a pick-up truck bed and "tougher" styling, but the Suburban name is staying. GMC has renamed the Suburban the Yukon XL (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Mark, will you STOP with these unattributed rumors/hearsay? While there is talk of bringing the Sprinter to the US according to the trade rags, it's for an entirely different market than the Caravan/Town and Country. The Sprinter is a panel (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The (...) Canadian (...) is (...) in (...) Mercedes- (...) I am sorry I didn't make it clear. I meant full-size van market, not mini-van market. The Ram Van and Ram Wagon are ending production, and it is no hearsay. It's official. I very well (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I should add that Mercedes-Benz does sell a mini-van in Europe, the V-Class. It has not been a big hit. It uses some Sprinter and Volkswagen EuroVan/Caravelle mechanicals. (...) (24 years ago, 15-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, these prices should all be rolled into the price of fuel. But, wouldn't people freak out if gas went up to $3 per gallon and the prices of all non-local goods (like 70% of groceries) rose in price by 30%? I'm really sick of people (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I came to much the same conclusion. Normally I avoid driving in New York, but, my SO brought a little subcompact, and there we were, outgunned on the mean streets. So we got a Jeep Cherokee. It's the smallest SUV that is still able to carry 4 tall (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, that isn't the best way to do it. Why should I pay for your roads with my lawnmower gas? Ultimately, the best way to apportion the costs for roads might be a toll system using some kind of ID thing on the car (and such a system can (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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