 | | Progress so far, and a new header —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | FAQ crew, I've gathered 23 questions for the FAQ so far (1), and stuffed them into a holding patteren until the header format is closer to being finalized. In the mean time: I feel that we should allow an Originator header, to give credit towards (...) (26 years ago, 28-Apr-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | Another header...? I want to be able to make context-specific notes on the FAQ items, which will not be exposed in the final output. I'm thinking of something like a Comment: header, which the parser will discard during processing. Cheers, - jsproat (26 years ago, 28-Apr-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | Jeremy: (...) Both the "Originator" and the "Comment" header entries make sense. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- ---...--- Here's the edited list of header entries (please verify that I haven't (...) (26 years ago, 29-Apr-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Not to be anal-retentive, but you've forgotton the colons. Um, I'm not sure a pun was intended there. :-P Also, we should probably start keeping track of headers which may repeat, and those which are optional. Otherwise, it amtches my list. (...) (26 years ago, 29-Apr-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) That's the crappiest pun I've ever heard! --Todd (26 years ago, 30-Apr-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Tom McDonald
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) It was plain butt-ugly. -Tom McD. when replying, note nothing but the spamcake. (26 years ago, 30-Apr-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Feces gone fart enough! (...) (26 years ago, 30-Apr-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Probably just as well to let it slide. --Todd (26 years ago, 30-Apr-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Terry Keller
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Pretty loose with your advice. -- Terry K -- (26 years ago, 30-Apr-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Tom McDonald
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Betcha he'll crack under pressure. He's a stool pigeon. -Tom McD. (26 years ago, 30-Apr-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I almost bust a gut this morning. I'm just flushed with mirth. Cheers, - jsproat (26 years ago, 30-Apr-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Mike won't be plunging into this thread. --Todd (26 years ago, 30-Apr-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) A little too clogged for me. (26 years ago, 30-Apr-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) That's a real stinker, Mike! --Todd (26 years ago, 1-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I guess we'll have to log that as a complaint. --Todd (26 years ago, 1-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) This bathroom humor is giving puns a bad name, and I think it's potty my fault for having that "Lar's hoppers" thread. Sorry for the rough edges in this thread, but if we all show some moral fiber and think of these jokes to ourselves in lieu (...) (26 years ago, 1-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | Ex-laxly my sediments [1], Lar. [1] corn;-) (...) (26 years ago, 1-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'm really gonna hate myself for this ('cause I'm gonna haveta go back and find the relevant links) but there ought to be one more optional and repeating header for "Reference:". The data would be a URL to a LUGNET posting, Web site, whatever (...) (26 years ago, 5-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Yes. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- ---...--- (26 years ago, 6-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Me too. --Todd (26 years ago, 6-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Thanks guys. You realize, this would keep me away from my SW legos... :-P Would the "Xref:" header embedded into the LUGNET nntp messages work for a reference? e.g.: Xref: lugnet.com lugnet.faq:186 in the nntp message translates into: (...) (26 years ago, 6-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | | | Jeremy: (...) No. We should use full URL's, so we can refer to data outside Lugnet too. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- ---...--- (26 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Ahh, good idea. The URLs for the articles are less stable than the Xref lines are. For example, when the new web-interface/hierarchy is moved into place, shortly after that will come a remapping of all the article URLs (but the old ones will (...) (26 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I was afraid of that. :-, (...) I'm prone to just go with the simpler form, copying the X-Ref header, for several reasons: a) I don't have to enter the Web interface and search for messages to find the URL, b) The URL can be automagically (...) (26 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) The more I think about it, the more I think that this is exactly what I'm oging to do. The "Reference:" header would be a fully-formed URL, while the "X-Ref:" header would tell the parser that it needs to be resolved into a LUGNET article URL. (...) (26 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) But don't copy the name 'X-Ref' if you copy the data -- that would be wicked confusing because what you want is a reference to a prior article, and the 'X-Ref' header of NNTP articles *isn't* a reference to a prior article but rather an ID of (...) (26 years ago, 8-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I don't understand the difference -- is it just how the text is formatted, or does that number do some magic? Cheers, - jsproat (26 years ago, 10-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) It's a semantic difference. - 'References' refers to other articles (ancestors). - 'Xref' is self-referential and refers both to itself and to any other copies of the same article if it has been crossposted. So copying the 'Xref' header (and (...) (26 years ago, 13-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Independent of the other issue, about representing arbitrarily URLs as Jacob suggested, yes, copying the X-Ref header char for char (anything to the right of the 'X-Ref:' part) is perfectly safe for this purpose. (...) Right now they're not -- (...) (26 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | FAQ header entries (Was: Progress so far, and a new header) —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | Jeremy: (...) Good idea. Here comes the current edition of the FAQ header entries: Subject: [the question] Content-Language: [ISO 639 language code] Topic-Level: [integer, 0 is beginner/easy/simple] Revision: [author, ISO date] Location: (...) (26 years ago, 6-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: FAQ header entries (Was: Progress so far, and a new header) —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Thanks, Jacob. I've posted these in a semi-dedicated thread (1), and added notes on which ones are optional, and which ones may repeat. (...) Darn that Noah Webster. :-P Cheers, - jsproat 1. "Working sketch of FAQ item data format" (26 years ago, 6-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | How do I format an entry in the Lugnet FAQ? —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | Subject: How do I format an entry in the Lugnet FAQ? Content-Language: en Topic-Level: 1 Revision: Jacob Sparre Andersen, 1999-05-06 Location: /faq/ Reference: (URL) The raw file format for an entry in the Lugnet FAQ is a Usenet-like header, (...) (26 years ago, 6-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: How do I format an entry in the Lugnet FAQ? —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Cool -- thanks! :-, (...) Hmmm, what browsers in common use support 4.0? Specifically, do we want to rely on CSS? Do we require everyone to use the latest from Netscape and Microsoft? I suggest we go with something more widespread, such as 3.2 (...) (26 years ago, 6-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: How do I format an entry in the Lugnet FAQ? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: How do I format an entry in the Lugnet FAQ? —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | | | Todd: (...) Sorry. You are right. Allowed elements: P A DL DT DD UL OL LI CODE STRONG EM PRE H2 (H1 is reserved for the question) More? Which attributes? Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- ---...--- (26 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Tags —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Tags —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Tags —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) True. How about H5 or H6, then? Cheers, - jsproat (26 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Tags —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Tags —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Tags —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Tags —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Er... the slurpage stage whereupon the headers and body are transformed into HTML. Cheers, - jsproat (26 years ago, 10-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Tags —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Tags —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I'm confused; why/how would <H1> or <H2> be used in the headers? --Todd (26 years ago, 12-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Tags —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Erm, headers? I was thinking more along the lines of using H1 and H2 for subject lines, categories, etc. in the final HTML. Sorry for the confusion. Cheers, - jsproat (26 years ago, 12-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Tags —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Ahh, cool-o. --Todd (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | | | New thread for new items (Was: How do I format an entry in the Lugnet FAQ?) —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | (...) I know I'm picking on your FAQ item Jacob, I swear it's not personal! :-, You're doing a great job and really helping us out. I think that new FAQ items should be put in a new thread, however -- to make finding them easier and to physically (...) (26 years ago, 6-May-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) SURE!!! --Todd (26 years ago, 30-Apr-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | (...) Gesundheit! (...) Dude! All right! (...) In cases like this, it's perfectly OK to correct typos and misuses of trademarks (especially TLG trademarks). That is to say, this question could just as well be re-written as: Subject: What is (...) (26 years ago, 30-Apr-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | (...) Someone's taking cheap snots at my text... :-P (...) Yep. Path of least resistance for now. :-, I have every intention of editing these items, but with only 23 for right now, I'm still getting a feel for it. The FAQ items will be significantly (...) (26 years ago, 30-Apr-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | Re: Progress so far, and a new header —Jeremy H. Sproat
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