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| | | (...) I dunno. If a crusaders set were available, I'd consider buying it. There isn't a clear distinction about good-guy/bad-guy in that conflict, both sides had similar reasons ("Jerusalem" should appear in the dictionary below "reason"...). As (...) (23 years ago, 1-Sep-01, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Victor Knight
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| | | | (...) Um did you forget the Arabs came to the Iberian peninsula via war and rape? Talk about one-sided historical revisionism. (23 years ago, 2-Sep-01, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | (...) If you're trolling, you just caught a live one. <sarcasm> Talk about value-laden throwaway lines! Yes, through rape, the Muslim armies of Tarikh ibn Zayid conquered the mighty and highly moral Visigothic kingdoms in Iberia, which were just (...) (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | Sorry for the self-followup, but this was bothering me: (...) c/Sixtus V/Sixtus IV. best LFB (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Pedro Silva
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| | | | | | | (...) Quite right. It is always nice to listen to the experts, even more when I like the subject (History + Geography). Ever been to Portugal, Lindsay? We also have some examples of Islamic Art, not as imposing as the Alhambra or Medina-al-zahara, (...) (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Richard Noeckel
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| | | | | | | (...) Actually and technically, the Inquisition properly so called did not come into existence until 1231, with the constitution Excommunicamus of Pope Gregory IX ‘1478’ was more of an establishment rather that a ‘creation.’ -Richard ‘who had to dig (...) (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | (...) I knew about the Medieval Inquisition (IIRC, that's the term used)-- but its specifically Spanish incarnation is what I'm talking about when referencing 1478. Or have I missed something else entirely? Ecumenical history is always so fraught (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Richard Noeckel
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| | | | | | | | (...) :) <Smiles at both the monkey comment and the previous head steppin' fiasco> (...) So, Where do you teach at Lindsay? I assume you’re a professor? When you said ‘institution’ I deduced that it’s a school and not a ward!?! ;) --==Richard==-- (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'm sorry, I just really remember that. It's not an entry one soon forgets! ;) I'm just happy I didn't get my head stepped on at that particular time (we won't talk about "since then"--I think my eyes were bitten *and* my head stepped upon (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Richard Noeckel
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| | | | | | | | (...) It’s always nice to be remembered!!! (...) Indeed, and watchin’ Tim Burtons rendition of -Planet of the Apes- only reinforces the point. (Can you believe that a little chimp is really 3 times stronger than a man…I'd bet that I could probably (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) If it were a true death match, and if the chimp had (in its opinion) a real reason to kill you, I think I'd bet on the chimp--no offense. (...) Well, there are a few chimps who've earned black belts over the years, and their reach is probably (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | | (...) As you know, raw strength can be turned against its user. The catch would be that chimps, as similar as they are to us, move in different ways. In a sense you "wouldn't know your enemy" and thus might underestimate him/her/it in some (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets/monkeys —Richard Noeckel
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| | | | | | | | | | WoW, well, umm, I appear to have gone off on a tad bit of a tangent here! I can assure you that my original intent wasn’t to indulge in primate genocide. It’s just that I've put a bit TOO much thought into the whole ‘eye bitin’ Monkey’ thing and (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Ape Linkin' —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | I know this is a long-dead thread, but a couple of guys here at work were discussing the subject, and I found a relevant link: (...) Cecil has this to say re: chimp puissance... (URL) My feeling is that, even if you (or any typical pugilist) got a (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Ape Linkin' —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) What does all of this have to do with our 16th president? FUT .pun :-D -John (...) (23 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Victor Knight
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| | | | | | | (...) <junk snipped> You can feel sorry for a group that invaded and then was tossed out if you want, but try not to be so biased and sorrowful in your description. (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | | (...) By "a group that invaded and then was tossed out," I presume you're referring to the Muslims and not the Visigoths? I was trying, in my response, to point out through tit-for-tat that you've made a ridiculous generalization--as though the Arab (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Pedro Silva
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| | | | | | | | (...) ? Who's sorrowful? Good or bad, it happened; it is the past, and one which I'm proud of. BOTH sides of it. And something I'd like to point out: the Arabs were not "tossed out", as they did not "toss out" the Christians who lived here before (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Alan Findlay
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| | | | | | (...) <snippage> (...) Lindsay, Since you are knocking down a straw man of your own creation, it's no wonder that you come out best in this exchange. Victor made NO value judgment on the vices or virtues of any of the combatants on the Iberian (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | (...) This isn't a straw man--reading the context and understanding the implications of the charges made, he's faulting Pedro for not invalidating Muslim Spain's relatively peaceful and prosperous existence during even the late stages of the (...) (23 years ago, 5-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Alan Findlay
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| | | | | | (...) The straw man analogy still holds. Had you first asked Victor a question such as: Are you faulting Pedro for not invalidating Muslim Spain's relatively peaceful and prosperous existence during even the late stages of the Reconquista because of (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | (...) I can see your point. In retrospect, I probably should have confirmed the intent. But hindsight is 20/20. "Historical revisionism" isn't a hot button for me, but when people bandy the charge around blithely I do find it obnoxious. Bearing in (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | (...) My response sits at: (URL) Keep followups there. LFB (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Pedro Silva
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| | | | (...) No. But they were far more tolerant then the subsequent christian kingdoms, they even allowed other monotheist (spelling?) religions to exist in their own land. And it is not one-sided historical revisionism, it is commonly accepted in (...) (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.dear-lego)
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| | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Victor Knight
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| | | | (...) Wow, other monotheistic religions. Heh. (...) My point was that one should not feel sorry for them that they were driven out. (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.loc.pt)
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| | | | | | Re: Military Lego Sets —Pedro Silva
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| | | | In lugnet.loc.pt, Victor Knight writes: (snipped) (...) What?...As if the Christians at the same time did the same... (...) They were not driven out. Who told you that? Where did you get that idea? You can't just "expell" millions of people... They (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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