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Agreed ... the only thing I would like to make sure is that there are no out-dated versions hanging arround somewhere in the net. And I believe thats only possible if the spec can be downloaded from one single location. Do you think different about (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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(...) Note for onlookers: the key thing I get from Don's suggestion is that it reverses the "you may not distribute this spec" from Michael's document to "you can, and should, distribute this spec". Which, IMO, is a better approach. This information (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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(...) Hi Michael, I think we're making progress here, but I'd like to take a stab at speeding things up. I'd like to suggest the zlib license as one that could perhaps make everyone happy. I cut and pasted it here, replacing the word "software" with (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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Ahhh, this license is ment for developers of programms only , not for autoring parts!!!!! I've to corret that in the document. For sure the use of this commands in parts is totally free and open to use ... Michael "Steve Bliss" <partsref@yahoo.com> (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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(...) My understanding is that because of the ... enthusiastic ... IP laws in Austria / Germany, your claim of IP rights on the design of part of the content of DAT files, any lawyer could, on their own volition, come after ldraw.org if any of your (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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(...) Us bloody brits use licence normally, although often have to use license as the terrible spelling of the yanks has crept into our daily lives ;) Dan (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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"Steve Bliss" <partsref@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ote2lu87meh0ltv...4ax.com... (...) Maybe it's not written in the right way ... what I ment was that developers should make clear that if they are not 100% mlcad compatible from the language (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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(...) This is an improvement, I think. However, the requirement for authors to clearly document what (parts) of your meta-commands they've implemented contradicts the restriction from reproducing your document or its contents. There are still basic (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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Hello Michael (...) I think the new license is working out well and people will be happy now ;). (see! i told you all!) ;) Play well Carsten (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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(...) Hi Michael, Looked over it briefly- misspelled 'listed' on page 3 (listet). Didn't really check too closely for spelling errors- that just jumped out at me. Also 'lizence'? :) We here in America use 'license' or more uncommon 'licence'- No (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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Hi, there is a new draft version of the MLCad command spec available for download at (URL) is in version V1.1 state draft. Please feel free to comment this document. I have rewritten the lizence section and added a section for the rotation points. (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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Hello. Would it be easy to implement an "Explode" feature in MLCad? I.e. if you have inserted a "model" in your file, and explode it, it will be divided into the parts it's built up of. And then youy can explode, and explode till you're at the (...) (22 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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Hi Ross, I've got that reported already, but didn't have the time to fix this yet. However there is a little bit more time left now, so I can follow this things a bit more. Thanks for reporting this anyway ... Michael "Ross Crawford" (...) (22 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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(...) Thanks for the moderating comment. Michael, here is a suggestion for what you can write about the rights to your specification: © Copyright 2002, Michael L. Since this document is made available free of charge, I can not make any promises (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.mlcad, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hello, I think we should wait what Michael is coming up with before making harsh comments. I followed this whole discussion from the start and i think it's always right to state your opinion - but please do this in a constructive way. Thank you. (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.mlcad, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) document whose URL is listed above. Specifically, the Licenze section: (...) OK, that's good. (...) OK, so if someone writes a program that uses these commands, they must: a. List the commands in their documentation b. Provide the URL to the (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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(...) Yes, what's needed here is NO license, not a NEW license. Michael if you're using MLCAD to bring visitors to your site in order to drum up business for your software company, that's fine. Just ask politely and we'll provide the links for (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.mlcad, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) If your new license for puts any restrictions whatsoever on the right to use or implement your extensions, you can just as well save your own time and leave it as it is. Play well, Jacob (who might decide to act like the BOFH he really is) (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.mlcad, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hi Michael, Just noticed that the parts list report seems to be inaccurate dealing with sub-models. If I include a sub-model more than once in the main model, it only gets counted once, also if I create a sub-model but don't include it in the main (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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Hi, i've found some more commands in MLCad which I introduced totaly new, ... but long time ago. So there is this ROTATION command, which was used at the early days of MLCad instead of ROTSTEP. Later I learned that this conflicts with LD-Lite. So I (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That, and the fact that MLCAD adds two 0 ROTATION statements to the header of every model file it edits. (...) Actually, only commented-out versions of the ROTATION meta-statement have appeared in parts (ie, '0 0 ROTATION'). The submit process (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Perhaps the use of the "ROTATION CENTER" meta statement in the parts library can be changed into a different, non-licensed format? The word "CENTER" breaks the standing LDraw tradition of using British English terms anyway. In my opinion it (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Uh Oh, we need some *unlicensed* documentation on this meta command. It's already used in some official parts. If I have to get permission in writing to use all the features of the official parts (or be liable for unspecified damages) I'm (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Is the ROTATION command the one that's sorta documented here? (URL) reply seems to indicate he planned on implementing it, and that was about 2 years ago, so I imagine it's been done by now. Don (22 years ago, 29-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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(...) Actually, LDLite has a ROTATE command, which is different than MLCad's ROTATION command. ROTATE is literally a directive to rotate a set of command-lines around a vector by a specific angle. ROTATION seems to define a point in space around (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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Uups ... you are right they are LDLite ...I'm going to correct that. Michael "Travis Cobbs" <tcobbs@REMOVE.halibut.com> wrote in message news:Gz5MI5.3C9@lugnet.com... (...) follow (...) now (...) that (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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The ROTATION command is a LDLITE command, not a MLCad command. You will find information about this command in the ldlite documentation I guess. Sorry for the late reply, but I was busy in the company and on holidays later. Regards, Michael "Steve (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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(...) Larry, sorry I didn't reply sooner but I was away on vacation. I guess everyone else must be too. Anyhow, I see you got my point. The whole reason for a parts license is to prevent new part authors from asserting arbitrary demands on the (...) (22 years ago, 22-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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(...) are partially taken from LDView. As the author of LDView, I can state that they don't look familiar :-). Perhaps you meant ldlite? --Travis Cobbs (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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(...) Err, I'm not seeing any documentation of the ROTATION meta-statement? Any chance you'll be adding that later? Steve (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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(...) You need to keep all the files (The model, the unofficial part's, and the part's subfiles in the same folder. The alternative is to group every thing into the same folder and make an MPD file using one of the MPD utilities foung on LDraw.org. (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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Let me just say before I get started here that I think Michael has made a terrific contribution to this community with MLCAD. I just think he's a bit confused about the ramifications of his license agreement and I hope we can clear it up. (...) I (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad, lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Ok my cad model is nearing completion. But I am having problems with the 9v track and its many sub files. Evertime I try to load the track(after creating a complete track part) I get an error that tells me it cant find the sub files. Yet it still (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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(...) Um, submission of a part subjects the part to the LDraw.org license, or is intended to. The parts library is protected by an overall license, or is intended to be in the future once the license is in place (that this effort has appeared to be (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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May I say you got that wrong? The license is ment for developers going to implement the command into theire own programs. Then I would like to have some notice from where the commands originally came from. I never sayed or wrote that you have to (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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(...) I'm actually somewhat UNhappy right now. Maybe I'm a bit of a nut, but are these the first ldraw extensions that come with a lizence agreement? I admit the requirements in the agreement are probably a good procedure to follow, but why do they (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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Hi, all people interested into the ldraw format extensions of MLCad may follow this link to download the spec in pdf format. There is no other link for now to this document then that one here, but this will follow next. (URL) reading and (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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(...) Check out Conversion 101 Tutorial here: (URL) might help you out. -Orion (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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(...) Thanks for the help. My model now looks much better now that the transpaencys are working. Do you have any advise for rendering you MLcad files. I have Povray and L3po but it never seemed to render my model. Sorry for he Noob questions, and (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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(...) Welcome David, Here is the train nose: (URL) is the straight 9V track (also download the subfiles): (URL) is the 9V track crossing (also download the subfiles): (URL) access transparent colors in MLCad, click "More" button in the color (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
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