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(...) How about widening it to 256 characters? --Todd (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Excellent, that's great news! One thing that MS-DOS didn't totally screw up back in the early days -- even though it copied CP/M's blunder of using \ instead of / -- was the low-level functions for accessing files. Surprisingly, many DOS (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Uhhm, I don't think I reserved that much space for a single line argument in LDS. If you have such a long path name and use it in LDS, I guess it will overwrite other variables with most unpredictable results... /Tore (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) OK, well, having to explicitly use 'sets\xxxxz-yy\' isn't really that much of a handicap in the grand scheme of things. It would've just been a bonus/freebie not to have to use it; but it's not a real problem, right? (...) Yeh, I agree -- (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Just tested: LEdit, LDraw, LDLite, and Jacob's MPD-Splitter all work with forward slashes as well! (Again, for Jacob's splitter, the dir must already exist.) --Bram (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'd (...) The 'sets\xxxxz-yy\' is necessary. I think it's safe to say that if you built the model in LEdit using subdirs, and all the components showed up correctly in LEdit, all other programs will also handle the sub-dirs correctly. --Bram (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Sounds interesting! Maybe we should wait until LDAO can display directories though... --Bram Bram Lambrecht / o o \ BramL@juno.com ---...---oooo-----(_...o---...--- WWW: (URL) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Hey, Todd, that's a kinda neat idea. :) Any one else like it? Ryan ***...*** REPLY SEPARATOR ***...*** (...) c:\ldraw\models can (...) nice someday is (...) deep into (...) that other (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad)
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Bram/Tim/Jeremy/Terry/etc.: Since it is looking more and more like subdirectories of c:\ldraw\models can be made to work very nicely, another directory that might be nice someday is an AUTHORS directory for personal models, for example: (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad)
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(...) Awesome. That's so cool! One question, though: Does it require backslashes or does it allow forward slashes as well? (...) It looks like I have the same bug in mpdgarp*. Fortunately, some OS's allow the -p option on calls to the mkdir program: (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Me too -- in a big way -- it's so clean. If the two most vital applications (LEdit and LDLITE) do support subdirectories, then IMHO the win is so big that it's hard not to justify using subdirectories, even if it breaks a few things for a (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I did some testing. LDLite functions fine with subdirs in MPD filenames (ex: 0 FILE foo\bar\test.dat works fine, as long as any references to that file are 1 ... foo\bar\test.dat LDraw works fine with subdirs, as we already knew. The problems (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) etc. I really like the idea of using subdirectories. It will keep the \models directory uncluttered and be easy to understand. Now you still have to deal subassemblies in the directory system. Would you name them: m1-a.dat 1st component of (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Unzipping or splitting an MPD should create the directories correctly if they don't already exist (I hope). We should check if splitting an MPD with the current software does that. --Bram Bram Lambrecht / o o \ BramL@juno.com (...) (25 years ago, 13-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Well, it was just an example to make a counterpoint against the other proposal. It it's the best possible namespace. (...) That's the whole point -- only backwards. (Go back and re-read the past few messages up this part of the tree... With (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Could someone or a couple people work on a comprehensive LDraw, LEdit, LDAO, etc.. glossary for use on ldraw.org? This would help a lot since we could reference pages with individual definitions on it from within paragraph text on the site. Remember (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) This makes sense. Now, are we going to abandon the 8.3 or use subdirectories? Both?? If so, lets nail this puppy once and for all so he can't squirm and find an exception to the rule. The mere volume of email I've gone through today makes my (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I posted the URL on another node of this thread, but here it is again for convenience: (URL) a list of 238 duplicate set numbers. (...) Bah. Seriously, this is 1999, man. Tough beans for anyone still stuck with Dick's Operating System. DOS (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Ok, can a model larger than 8.3 be *viewed* in LEdit? I'm not talking about editing, but just viewing. Try opening a file you have named bigger than 8.3 in LEdit and see what happens. If it works, then lets just screw the 8.3 system. -Tim (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) This is a good reason not to let 8.3 filenames cripple the namespace. --Todd (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) First, tacking on submodels in addition to the year: S8857-80.dat 8857 Motorcycles S8857-80-a.dat First model S8857-80-b.dat Second model S8857-80-c.dat Third model S8857-93.dat 8857 Street Chopper S8857-93-a.dat First model S8857-93-b.dat (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) If the subdirectory system can be worked out accurately and duplicated on users' machines, then I am for it instead. It keeps the 8.3 system and allows more freedom and can cover the rare oddities. -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project Coordinator (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Good idea then. But we need to make sure users set up their directories on their machines correctly. If not, those questions will fill up the ldraw.org help desk... (...) Talk yes.. and I can't wait to see it implimented. But talk is still (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Good solution to this problem. We are assuming that these models will not be edited or modified or if they are very little, right? The idea of this repository is to give people access to the files so they can look at them in LDraw and if they (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) [...] Serious snippage Todd, If you could come up with a complete list of irregulars, it would be helpful. We can figure out how absolutely necessary or how not absolutely necessary a comprehensive file system is that way. If there is less (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Not a bad idea, but tedious. (...) These two questions bring up a bigger question. What is this rumored LDraw II project and when will it be done?? I have asked this one many times and have gotten no answer. But some refer to it like the (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Thanks! (...) Actually, the only set I can think of in which it would is 7171. Does any other set have that large a hierarchy of submodels? (...) I don't think a four digit year is really necessary until LEGO is more than 100 years old. (...) (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) No. 'Name:' and 'FILE' are different. As soon as an MPD is split, all the FILE lines disappear, so you must leave in a 'Name:' Ex: 0 Title for the MPD 0 Name: filename.mpd 0 Author: Author 0 Comments 0 0 FILE file1.dat <---during MPD parsing, (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) All LDraw submodels that are not official sub-models can be inlined and then the separate parts moved around to keep the order of attaching pieces correct. Ideally, an instruction generator should be able to go through the main DAT file and (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Actually, LDraw and LEdit _do_ support directories. You just have to specify the directory in the DAT file. How do you think the s\ directory under parts\ works? Take a look at the last few lines of parts\3634.dat for example. (...) There is (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Why can't someone temporarily renamed a file to an 8.3 name while working on it in LEdit, but keep the names in a non-DOS format for storage and publishing? Or what if it were possible to use subdirectories? Then it could be 8.3 and not 8.3, (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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We MUST keep it in 8+3 format because SOME PEOPLE still do use LEdit, and if you don't have the files in 8+3 format you can't use the files. I think that the way something like the Mos Espa set should be done is like this(I don't have the set so (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Bram, I think that's definitely on the right track! (At least with the double- and triple-letter combinations.) A great example of double-lettering is the 7171 Mos Espa Podrace™ set -- each of the three submodels of 7171 has itself three (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Is the 8.3 requirement a legacy thing left over from LDraw & LEdit being DOS applications? What programs in LDraw lore -don't- work on longer filenames? --Todd (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) What about things like this?-- (2 URLs) one was released in '81 and looks like it has 3 submodels. Second one was released in '98 and looks like it has 1 submodel. Or what about this?-- (2 URLs) like the first one has instructions for at least (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Here's a thread on oddities -- sets which "break the rules": (URL) The duplicates are never in (...) Not always, unfortunately. Some notable counter-examples are: 8205 Bungee Chopper Has two instructions booklets labeled "8205-1" and "8205-2"; (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) for one or (...) models (...) (submodel) (...) (submodel) (...) component (...) official (...) the box) (...) making me (...) ZIP, you (...) Then you (...) components. (...) components (...) viewable as (...) opening (...) support (...) My (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) or would it (...) I just do it as SXXXXa.dat That seems slear enough to me. Also one other thing is that someone say does an airport, SXXXX-YY is going to have just submodels, no parts, and then the submodels would be MPDed. Example SXXXX-YY (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) [...] I guess, since the - does nothing to the original designation and if there is only one model in the instructions the - denotes that. (...) I disagree. We should not offer the 'official' alternate models on the back of the box for (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) This is a complex issue. The thing is, what is easy to click together with Lego could be difficult with LDraw. I would say LDraw uses submodels much more often than Lego would in its instructions. Say for example an angled wing assembly like (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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