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(...) Help is here! The 'Save 9v Trains' campaign has been around for quite some time. This issue will be brought to the Ambassadors' forums now, as an item to add to the list. We are very glad that you have brought this up again here. Thanks, Ted! (...) (17 years ago, 27-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) The death of 9V trains would be a thousand times more devastating to the single most visible contingent of LEGO fans than the grey color change. Train clubs are the real ambassadors of LEGO. Throughout the world at model railroad hobby shows, (...) (17 years ago, 29-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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Disclaimer: I'm not a train guy, not even close. And I agree that the 9V system is a fantastic system in and of itself, not to mention the amazing things train clubs do with it. Should it be on the "list"? I'd *absolutely* agree. And I really (...) (17 years ago, 29-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors)
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(...) That seems a bit harsh. As a non-trainhead (organizing our clubs first train show for September) I thought 9V was SAVED. The save9vtrains website has not been updated in months the last time I looked. The Hobby Train (K10183) set came out and (...) (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) I'm not sure you should see a lack of information from TLG as confirmation of anything... I certainly wouldn't. Tim (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) I have noticed, in the last six months or so, that retailers like TRU that used to carry things on their website like train motors and track, are no longer carrying train motors and track. First the items were marked 'sold out' or 'not (...) (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) Sorry, I have no idea what you are saying here. I said nothing about a lack of information from TLG. I just find it over the top for someone to get so upset about something that does not appear to be a big concern for the community. If 9V was (...) (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) Your original post seemed to imply to me that you a) considered 9V trains to be saved and b) did this because you had seen no further information on the issue (which I perhaps mistakenly thought meant from TLG as opposed to from secondary (...) (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) Children. Sorry I wasn't clear. I was talking about AFOLs. (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors)
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(...) Well, saving 9V trains does seem to be the purpose of the site, so short of a "Mission Accomplished" posted prominently on the site, I think it's reasonable to assume that the saving of 9V trains remains a concern of the site and its (...) (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) I have to take issue with the statement also. BrickJournal has become pretty visible to the public eye, as it now averages 50,000 downloads an issue. In terms of visibility, the magazine has gotten inquiries and news releases from places such (...) (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors)
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(...) It's potentially a large audience... I wonder if the community, and the campaign to save 9V trains wouldn't benefit from gathering a more solid understanding of some of the numbers involved. For example: How many people have viewed LEGO train (...) (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, lugnet.trains)
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(...) Why? Your thrust seemed to be the PR value of the 9V trains line - and PR value is to the public, not just AFoLs (in fact, AFoLs, as has been discussed, seem to make up a small percentage of the sales... although I personally seem to be (...) (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors)
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(...) Good point. The question then becomes where can you blend a certain theme with an already existing Con or event. LEGO did it in what I thought was a spectacular fashion at Celebration III, with a huge display of SW ships in LEGO (including (...) (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors)
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(...) I'd be curious about hard numbers as well. In the past couple of years that I've been involved with train shows, we've probably shown to a couple thousand people at each show. This is just based on my estimation though, as I'm not privy to any (...) (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, lugnet.trains)
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(...) Stores used to carry LEGO train sets on shelves, too. However, I don't know if they were big sellers -- I got a 4561 Railway Express at Target for 50% off. TRU always has a good LEGO selection, but I haven't even seen any of the RC train sets (...) (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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In lugnet.ambassadors, Joe Meno wrote: <snip> (...) *cough* (URL) *cough*... :) Dave K (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors)
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(...) Actually while I would not support "needlessly complaining" if it is still an issue, and Save9VTrains is the HQ of the effort to actually do something about it, then yes they should have some sort of updates on a regular basis. For instance (...) (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) OK, to phrase things more accurately, of all the activities that AFOLs do, train shows are the most visible to the public. Joe made an interesting point about BrickJournal, but I've always assumed that BrickJournal was "preaching to the (...) (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors)
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(...) I concur. But the lack of such updates should not be interpreted as victory. Just not enough work done on publicity. (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) I can't cite numbers, but I know that my wife became an AFOL after being inspired by a SCLTC demonstration. She had always been a model railroad fan, never ran one, but seeing the integration of training, set building, and technic trestle (...) (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) Sure, but what I have been trying to say, apparently totally unsuccessfully, is that you cannot start attacking the ambassadors because they did not make it a current issue if the publicity work is so bad that someone like me (reasonably (...) (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) I find a modicum of comfort in knowing that even LEGO acknowledges that the RC trains have load problems: (URL) that they recommend the RC trains only run the number of wagons the sets come with (2 on the passenger, 4 on the cargo train). That (...) (17 years ago, 30-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) I guess I just expected that the ambassadors would make it their job to know what the top issues are for the LEGO community without us having to nag them. (17 years ago, 31-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) Well, community members have been repeatedly raising all the other issues on the list... So, should we ignore them and put saving 9V trains to number 1 regardless of what community members are actually bringing to our attention and asking us (...) (17 years ago, 31-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) I just took a look at the current list (from (URL) right?) and I think there is a good reason to place 9V ahead of all of those issues: If none of those issues are addressed by LEGO, there is no change. If the 9V trains issue is not addressed, (...) (17 years ago, 31-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) Well, the end of 9V trains would mean no change to my involvement in the hobby: no change to my purchasing patterns, no change to the amount of stuff I build, and so on. By contrast, for example, if a portion of the product range is not (...) (17 years ago, 31-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX) !
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(...) Well, the end of 9V trains would mean no change to my involvement in the hobby: no change to my purchasing patterns, no change to the amount of stuff I build, and so on. By contrast, for example, if a portion of the product range is not (...) (17 years ago, 31-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX) !!
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Nelson / Richie, Thanks again for posting this list, and for your diligent work as LEGO Ambassadors. (I hope that you get paid for it) I think I also need to say that I am appalled by 9V Trains not being on the original list. Are you guys (...) (17 years ago, 31-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) I think I am missing something here... this "becoming known as the largest mistake TLG has made"? I think you mean not saving 9V trains - but it isn't actually made yet. And people would argue that the colour change was, or the introduction of (...) (17 years ago, 31-Jul-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) Richie, I don't like to attack people, but I find your view of the 9V train issue not very becoming of a LEGO Ambassador. Because you do not purchase 9V trains does not mean that everyone else does not purchase 9V trains. I'm sure there are (...) (17 years ago, 2-Aug-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) What is it about my view that you don't find very becoming? What is it that you think my view of 9V trains is? (...) Exactly!!! That's why I said "But that’s just me as an individual. I can look at the bigger picture, and appreciate that the (...) (17 years ago, 2-Aug-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, FTX)
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(...) William, BrickJournal is for the converted, and for those who are curious about getting into the hobby, and seeing what potential exists for LEGO creations. In essence, it's for those that want to learn more, as well as those who are already (...) (17 years ago, 3-Aug-07, to lugnet.ambassadors)
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"Elroy Davis" <edavis@vermontcount...store.com> wrote in message news:JLzvDn.Cqp@lugnet.com... [snip] (...) One way to allow for "non-train" interests in a train display is to dedicate layout space to other Lego themes. One of our shows (RichLUG) a (...) (17 years ago, 11-Aug-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, lugnet.trains)
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(...) ... (...) The thing about the 9v trains is that it is a gateway to building a train layout (conventional model railroading has a long history with adults, etc etc etc). The layout, whether a LTC or in someone's basement, will likely be (...) (17 years ago, 23-Aug-07, to lugnet.ambassadors, lugnet.trains)
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