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| | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | (...) I think the solution you have in place is fine: 1) Have a solid set of user Terms of Service. 2) Be willing to back them up with action when necessary. If what people are doing seriously violates the ToS, then warn them off of it and have the (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Jeremy Sproat
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| | | | | (...) The first thing you can do, instead of bouncing the server, is to bump off the folks who *flagrantly* flout your request to not post sensitive TLC info. Specifically, *this* info. Personally, I'd yank Remy's posting privs immediately. I'm not (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) I'm missing something here. Retailer catalogs are one thing. They're pretty clearly not for general consumption. But why exactly are the images in question trade secrets? They are posted on a public server by TLG with no protection whatever. (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Jeremy Sproat
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| | | | | | | | | (...) goes along the same lines as, "we are physically free to walk out the 7-11 door with an unpaid-for pack of gum, so we should be allowed to". But the thing is, is that we as TLC's customers have an unwritten contract with TLC to act (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Steve Martin
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) off the (...) The analogy is flawed. It is illegal to walk out with unpaid-for gum. It is the internets intent to disseminate information. If you post it on your site, you are saying "Hey, look at this". That is how it works out practically (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) It's not the same analogy at all. More like if outside the 7-11, on a public sidewalk, there was a big box with a sign over it that said "free for the taking" and it had gum in it. Are we supposed to read the minds of the 7-11 owners as to (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —James Powell
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| | | | | | | | | | It seems that there are no links from the "set database" to the images yet. The images still work, but I could not find any that were not listed (perhaps I am being web stupid however...) I still stand by the right to post links to pages on the (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) That's what I thought (that's what I'd read elsewhere just prior to Remy's post): They're not in the set database, but the images are sitting there like sitting ducks. (...) You could copy those images to geocities and link to them and they'd (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Nope. No intent to protect. Now, if you took a stance that said that you wanted everyone to guess what TLG really meant, that would be different (and impossible to enforce). But TLG is not demonstrating intent to protect. Given how much you (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Chris Ernest Hall
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) This assumes that we know what their policy is for announcing sets. Getting a 2000 catalog in a Snowspeeder set isn't really "announcing" the 2000 sets, either, is it? One must assume, absent other statements, that putting the jpegs on the (...) (25 years ago, 11-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I dunno man. U'm running on about was much sleep as they probably are and I'll tell you what this ugly bag of mostly water is thinking: I'm thinking it will be nice to hopefully discuss this all with someone at LEGO Direct rationally a month (...) (25 years ago, 11-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) We hear you and feel your pain. You MUST be spun up, that message has more typos than I've ever seen you make in one post. As you noticed, Brad J posted a reply to my DearLEGO post promising some official answers and asking people to settle (...) (25 years ago, 11-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —James Powell
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yes, stand by it all you want. You have however, just vindicated what I said. Namely, if it is public domain (IE on this side of a firewall at www.lego.com or any other site), then it is by definition in the public domain. I am willing to bet (...) (25 years ago, 11-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) But they WERE in the set database. I saw them at home this morning, and loaded up several of the graphics. Here in the good ole' USA. If you would have been up to buy DYA sets, you'd have seen them too ;-) (...) No. If their web designers are (...) (25 years ago, 11-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Jeff Stembel
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Morning? Heck, I first accessed the pages themselves around 3:00pm (ET) this afternoon! I saw the images themselves by typing in the URLs at about noon. Jeff (25 years ago, 11-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Jeff Boen
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| | | | | | | | (...) not I... I can't believe this conversation is even taking place... let me get this straight.. images are hosted on an open server... someone comes along and finds them by mod'ing the location line of a published, linked image (no doubt (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Lawrence Wilkes
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| | | | | | | | (...) the (...) I made a longer post on this somewhere else, but to clarify, here in the UK I could see all the sets clearly linked to from the front of the catalog, with new buttons for Knights Kingdom etc, and all the new sets were in the drop (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | Oh now I have seen it ALL. TRADE SECRETS?!? That's it, you people are so hopelessly uptight, I may leave this group and go back to RTL!!! I'd rather have anarchy than self-righteousness! THEY ARE LINKS TO PICS ON THE F$&()%$ LEGO.COM SITE! If they (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | | (...) I find it odd, though, that now suddenly these things arouse all this bad feeling, where things like this have been going on for a while. Specifically, sometime before the first SW sets came out, I discovered a directory on a web server that (...) (25 years ago, 12-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) All calm and rational people have a breaking point (IMHO). What differs is simply the length of the fuse (how long something takes to reach critical mass) and the size of the splat (how big the resulting stink becomes). Other factors of course (...) (25 years ago, 13-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Jeremy Sproat
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| | | | | | First off, I just want to say that I can see my previous attitude in a different light. I trust that the parties involved understand that there is no need to flame me via e-mail. Having said that, after seeing how quickly the situation on lego.com (...) (25 years ago, 13-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | (...) I don't think anyone is saying that "publicly accessible = public domain". What we're saying is: "made publicly accessible on a web site = made publicly accessible", which seems pretty clear to me. Putting something on a web site certainly (...) (25 years ago, 13-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Kevin Loch
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| | | | Step 1: take a deep breath Step 2: cancel the offending post Step 3: remind everyone not to post "not yet public information" KL (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Jeff Stembel
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| | | | (...) But it *is* public. It is on a public server, open to everyone. If that isn't public, I don't know what is. I (and others) did this Last December to see some of the Star Wars sets, and no one complained then. why is today different? Because of (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | (...) Uhm, Jeff? To paraphrase a popular quote: This is Lugnet. You have no inherent rights. Todd can do whatever he wants with lugnet.com. Up to and including going postal BOFH and cancelling random messages. Whether he is likely to do so, or will (...) (25 years ago, 12-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Cats and pigeons... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | (...) I should point out that anyone could go postal on Usenet and start cancelling random messages there just as easily if they really wanted to. It's slightly more difficult to forge cancels than to forge actual messages, but it can be done, and (...) (25 years ago, 13-Dec-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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