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Re: When is a website "independent" and when is it "part of"?
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Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:09:07 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > it's not the US role to be the world's
> > > policeman, but I digress).
>
> That was a throwaway comment and I didn't expect a debate, but since you're
> slagging the US, here I am.
Not a "slag", and to just the USA.
>
> > I'd say the UN is/should be the world's policeman. What the US (and others)
> > do independent of the UN is political mumbo jumbo all based on selfish gain.
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> Not sure I agree that everything the US does externally is for the benefit of
> the US. I think it *should* be, but it isn't.
>
> > Take what is happening in the middle-east right now. If the US were to
> > withdraw some of its dogmatic support for Israel - it would have ended
> > days/weeks/years ago.
>
> With the total destruction of Israel, right? I mean, isn't that what the hard
> line states (and Yassir) want? For Israel to be gone, wiped off and the
> territory replaced with a new state (not a Palestinian state, mind you...
> that's Jordan).
I'm not sure that is true.
> I will not debate the validity of the claim, per se. I think
> it may very well have some validity though... what the British Empire did in
> old Palestine by partitioning it into new Palestine (Jordan) and Israel, then
> walking away and leaving everyone to fight it out, left things a total mess,
> which is the usual result of UK meddling in borders. I could cite a half dozen
> examples.
That was years ago. I'm not pround of. It is in the past.
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> While you're busily condemning the US for trying to influence affairs you
> might want to make sure that the UK colonial record is clean first. It's not.
> The US was a colonial power, briefly, mostly by accident, but has a pretty
> good record (our biggest colony being the Phillipines, and we did fairly well
> at running that second hand colony and fairy well at transitioning it).
...and what about all the murderous dictators uncle sam (and the
other "western" nations) supported during the cold war at the expense of
democracy?
...and take a look at the way minorities were treated in some parts of their
own country during the same era - I'm talking about the USA here.
Scott A
> The UK
> has a long bloody record of repression as a colonial power and a terrible
> record at stopping and leaving stable governments behind.
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> Iraq-Kuwait
> India to India-Pakistan
> Pakistan to Pakistan-Bengladesh
> Palestine to Israel-Jordan
> Ireland to Ireland-Northern Ireland
> The Tamil Tigers
> Rhodesia
> South Africa
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> All caused by fools somewhere in London drawing lines on maps.
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> *DO* I need to go on?
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> Note that the vaunted french screwed up as badly, or worse, in Indochina.
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> ++Lar
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