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Re: UK Happy to sign European Convention on Human Rights (was Britain's bloody... (was When is...)
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Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:09:42 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > >
> > > > I have views on NI. They will remain my own for now. But the point you • make
> > > > is misleading. It is an accepted fact that the majority of those in NI • want
> > > > to be part of the UK - I'm not saying that they have reasons for it, but
> > > > that is just the way it is.
> > >
> > > And that majority is composed of what? Descendants of Britons who • colonised,
> > > as I understand it. The Irish who got pushed off that land so the British
> > > squires could set up estates didn't exactly get much of a vote at the time.
> >
> > So what is your answer then?
>
> What was the question?
Avoidance.
>
> > NI's problem is partly that it is still living
> > back then... in the past.
>
> What's the point of that.
>
> > > So how exactly is NI different from Israel (other than the time frame) • again?
> > > The majority of people in Israel now want Israel to remain as a secular • Jewish
> > > state. The fact that they all came there recently and usurped the people • who
> > > were living peacefully (it had been 1500 years since THEY were the • usurpers)
> > > is not relevant unless the fact that Britons usurped the Irish is relevant.
>
> > Even if Britain then = Israel now. Would that make it right?
>
> Didn't say it did. Recall I said I didn't think Israel should have been set up
> in the first place. Recall that I said that it was the UK that caused this
> mess.
Avoidance
> You haven't answered that.
I think I did.
>
> > >
> > > I say again, get your own house in order before you hastily criticise
> > > elsewhere.
> >
> > Likewise Larry :-)
> >
> > Where did I say the UK was perfect anyway? Where?
>
> And where did I say the US was? You started slagging the US for no reason I
> could see after I said (as a throwaway) that I didn't think it was appropriate
> for the US to try to act as the world's policeman.
I did not slag off the "US". I slagged of the policing undertaken by the US
and its allies (inc the UK).
>
> > >
> > > I have the standing to criticise because I'm doing everything I can to undo
> > > the wrong the US has done internally and externally.
>
> > hmm. By wanting international "policing" on the part of the US for self
> > interest. Is that not what you said you wanted? Very ethical.
>
> Cite please. • "SA:
> I'd say the UN is/should be the world's policeman. What the US (and others)
> do independent of the UN is political mumbo jumbo all based on selfish gain.
LP:
Not sure I agree that everything the US does externally is for the benefit of
the US. I think it *should* be, but it isn't."
Very ethical.
> Never said I wanted that. Never said I wanted the US to intervene
> anywhere. It's a plank of the Libertarian platform that the US should NOT
> intervene, which party and platform I support with time, money and votes.
Sounds pretty dogmatic to me Larry.
>
> > If you are doing everything you can do, how come you have so much time to
> > spend with us here? Why are you not out righting wrongs?
>
> Maybe I am right now, correcting your misconceptions and factual errors.
Maybe not. Maybe you are way wrong Larry?
>
> > > What are you doing to
> > > undo UK wrongs?
> >
> > More then you know Larry.
>
> So enlighten me.
Maybe I am right now, correcting your misconceptions and factual errors Larry?
>
> > > Moreover, why are you such a disagreeable cuss, anyway?
> >
> > Perhaps I disagree with you as you are wrong Larry. Even you must be wrong
> > at times.
>
> If it was just me that you disagreed with, that might hold, but you pick at
> stuff that anyone and everyone says, not just me.
Everyone in the whole wide world, I think not Larry. I don't have the time to
infer my opinion on every post I read Larry. I also don't have the time to
chirp "me 2" all day long Larry.
> I'm just tired of it. You're
> not helping make this a friendly place and neither is this debate that I
> certainly didn't want to start.
Some issues are ugly Larry. Not talking about them won't make them go away
Larry.
Scott A
> ++Lar
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