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I got to thinking about this the other day... which castle themes are 'good
guys' and 'bad guys'? I noticed this as my own lego kingdom has gotten
progressivly overrun with what I think of as 'evil' lately...
In my own personal kingdom:
Crusaders/Lionheart - Good
Forestmen/Dark Forest - Mostly Good
Royal Knights - Good
Black Falcons - Evil
Black Knights - Evil
Wolfpack - Mostly Evil
Fright Knights - Evil
Dragon Masters - Evil
Then of course there's the original Castle theme... but I don't own any of
those :( they'd probably by good, though. Of course (like everyone else,
probably) I've got my own storyline, etc., so there's no clear cut 'EVIL' and
'GOOD', but in general, anyway...
Maybe the 2000 sets will feature a new stream of 'good guys'...
DaveE
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In lugnet.castle, David Eaton writes:
> I got to thinking about this the other day... which castle themes are 'good
> guys' and 'bad guys'? I noticed this as my own lego kingdom has gotten
> progressivly overrun with what I think of as 'evil' lately...
>
> In my own personal kingdom:
> Crusaders/Lionheart - Good
> Forestmen/Dark Forest - Mostly Good
> Royal Knights - Good
>
> Black Falcons - Evil
> Black Knights - Evil
> Wolfpack - Mostly Evil
> Fright Knights - Evil
> Dragon Masters - Evil
I suppose a lot depends on your perception of wolves. I think of them as
neutral - they do what they have to do. I see them vaguely allied with the
Dark Forest - kind of a Druidic thing. Dragon Masters probably don't fit
neatly into "good" or "evil".
>
> Then of course there's the original Castle theme... but I don't own any of
> those :( they'd probably by good, though. Of course (like everyone else,
> probably) I've got my own storyline, etc., so there's no clear cut 'EVIL' and
> 'GOOD', but in general, anyway...
>
> Maybe the 2000 sets will feature a new stream of 'good guys'...
>
> DaveE
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In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> I suppose a lot depends on your perception of wolves. I think of them as
> neutral - they do what they have to do. I see them vaguely allied with the
> Dark Forest - kind of a Druidic thing. Dragon Masters probably don't fit
> neatly into "good" or "evil".
Yeah, Forestmen/Dark Forest and Wolfpack I kind of see as just organized gangs
of thieves... but of course the forestmen have the 'Robin Hood' connection,
which is probably why I see them as leaning towards good. As for Wolfpack, I'm
not really sure where I draw the evil connection... I guess it was just a
random opinion type thing... but they're more or less thieves/mercinaries in my
world. They aren't strict good or strict evil...
As for Dragon Masters, I don't know... Majisto is kind of hard to see as evil
(but easier with the Ice Planet Grandpa head instead of the innocent looking
smiley one) The rest of them look more evil, though... they strike me as more
'chaotic evil' rather than 'lawful evil'... Majisto's their only saving grace
to the good side as I see it tho....
DaveE
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In lugnet.castle, David Eaton writes:
> I got to thinking about this the other day... which castle themes are 'good
> guys' and 'bad guys'? I noticed this as my own lego kingdom has gotten
> progressivly overrun with what I think of as 'evil' lately...
>
> In my own personal kingdom:
> Crusaders/Lionheart - Good
> Forestmen/Dark Forest - Mostly Good
> Royal Knights - Good
>
> Black Falcons - Evil
> Black Knights - Evil
> Wolfpack - Mostly Evil
> Fright Knights - Evil
> Dragon Masters - Evil
Hm...this is interesting to me. I don't really have as much 'good' and 'evil'
as might be expected...instead, my Castle-time LEGOs seem to have set up a
rather complex political situation.
A long time ago, the land was united under one ruler, whose sign was "purpure,
a crown or". It was a golden time, full of loyal knights, tournaments and
processions, but it is a time lost forever - a time before the Dark Ages.
After the Dark Ages, the first monarch to come to my attention ruled a large
and well-appointed kingdom which seemed initially to be at peace, even though
it was recently founded. But there were rumors of darker things afoot. Some
claimed that a man identical to the king was imprisoned beneath the castle,
locked in an iron mask. (I had an extra Royal King from the Carriage...I needed
*something* to do with him!) The brave bandits of the Dark Forest - led by a
deposed Baron - were the only ones who suspected the truth.
It turned out that an evil Witch-Queen from the East had created a magical
duplicate of the King to rule in his place. Once he was firmly ensconced, the
legions of the Fright Knights marched over the land, along with the black-clad
dragon-helmed mercenaries they had hired to provide heavy infantry support. The
bandits put up a guerilla resistance and eventually managed to free the King
from his imprisonment.
To add more complexity to the situation, it turns out that the King is the
youngest son of a large royal family whose domain is on the islands to the
north. He despaired of ever inheriting the throne, and left to found his own
nation. Now, the eldest brother (and rightful heir to the throne) is missing,
and the second brother has "convinced" his siblings to support his claim for
the throne. However, he wants to make sure that all competition is either on
his side...or eliminated.
What happened to the eldest brother? Nobody knows, but a mysterious Black
Knight rides with the Dragon Army. He keeps to himself, and nobody sees him
out of his armor...
Meanwhile, the rough men of the Wolfpack - a famed and ruthless mercenary unit
- have come to the land. They accept all who wish to join, asking no questions
about the past. Who hired them? What side are they on?
What about the mysterious Black Falcons? The last time they were seen in these
parts their appearance heralded the coming of the Dark Ages.
And there are rumors abroad that three wizards againw alk the lands: one clad
in blue, with a staff tipped witha sapphire; one clad in green, with a staff
tipped by an emerald; and one clad in black, with a staff tipped with a ruby.
What do they want? What forces do they represent? Only time will tell...
* * *
Oddly enough, I find that many of the major characters I think about are
actually MOCs of a sort - I'll swap a head or something to create a unique
fig. Most of my Wolfpack is unique...the exiled baron who leads the Dark
Forest bandits...the Witch-Queen...does anybody else tend to do this, or do
people stick with the existing cast of characters?
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Here's my take on things;
Lions (New and Old): good
Forestmen: good (allied with the Lions since they are horrible archers)
Falcons: good
Wolfpack: Neutral (Religious Sect inhabiting the desert regions)
Blue Dragons: Very Bad
Green Dragons: Also Bad (Blues and Greens hate each other)
Dragon Masters: Bad (Allied with Green Dragons)
Fright Knights: As of now they are good
Ninjas: They are off in their own corner of the world fighting each other.
Current Events in my world:
The Blue Dragons have marched on a helpless village in an attempt to broaden
their area of control, but what they don't know is that a division of
Lionhearts with 50 Forestman archers is on its way.
PS In order to liven my battles up, I consider each minifig to equal 10 men.
Each minifig has a +/- rating and then I roll up a battle with a six-sided die
to see who wins.
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In lugnet.castle, Dan Moquin writes:
> Here's my take on things;
>
> <snip>
>
> Fright Knights: As of now they are good
I don't know about the Fright Knights as good. After all, in their main
castle, the Bat Lord keeps a Lions soldier prisoner... So at least TLG
considers them bad.
> Ninjas: They are off in their own corner of the world fighting each other.
..until their huge battle, when the Ninja wizard unleashes powerful magic that
opens up a space/time warp, dropping the entire scene into medieval Europe.
I'm not sure yet how they will all align when this happens. Will the Ninjas
suddenly unite to take on the strange knights, or will the European armies
recognize the inherent good and evil in the Ninjas/Samurai/Robbers, and divide
up to fight along the side of the appropriate force? Only time (and the number
of each minifig I have) will tell...
> Current Events in my world:
> The Blue Dragons have marched on a helpless village in an attempt to broaden
> their area of control, but what they don't know is that a division of
> Lionhearts with 50 Forestman archers is on its way.
>
> PS In order to liven my battles up, I consider each minifig to equal 10 men.
> Each minifig has a +/- rating and then I roll up a battle with a six-sided die
> to see who wins.
50 Forestmen!? I would be happy to take your casualties off of your hands, at
a reasonable price. ;-)
Play well,
Naji
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In lugnet.castle, Naji Norder writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Dan Moquin writes:
> > Here's my take on things;
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Fright Knights: As of now they are good
>
>
> I don't know about the Fright Knights as good. After all, in their main
> castle, the Bat Lord keeps a Lions soldier prisoner... So at least TLG
> considers them bad.
In my world I don't use the witchs and since I really like the torso designs
of the other minifigs in that line I made them good guys. A second reason was
that my bad side (Blue and Green Dragons) was outnumbering my good side.
> > snip >>
> 50 Forestmen!? I would be happy to take your casualties off of your hands, at
> a reasonable price. ;-)
Remember, I count each minifig as ten men so that's only five!! However, I
probably have around 80 Forestmen/Dark Forest. I bought about 20 copies of
6103 about 8 years ago.
>
> Play well,
> Naji
Dan
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In lugnet.castle, David Eaton writes:
> I got to thinking about this the other day... which castle themes are 'good
> guys' and 'bad guys'? I noticed this as my own lego kingdom has gotten
> progressivly overrun with what I think of as 'evil' lately...
>
> In my own personal kingdom:
> Crusaders/Lionheart - Good
> Forestmen/Dark Forest - Mostly Good
> Royal Knights - Good
>
> Black Falcons - Evil
> Black Knights - Evil
> Wolfpack - Mostly Evil
> Fright Knights - Evil
> Dragon Masters - Evil
>
> Then of course there's the original Castle theme... but I don't own any of
> those :( they'd probably by good, though. Of course (like everyone else,
> probably) I've got my own storyline, etc., so there's no clear cut 'EVIL' and
> 'GOOD', but in general, anyway...
>
> Maybe the 2000 sets will feature a new stream of 'good guys'...
>
> DaveE
In my personal kingdom.
Royal Knights - Good
Forestmen/Dark Forest - Mostly Good
Crusaders/Lionheart - I consider them part of the Royal Knights
Wolfpack - Good
Black Falcons - Good
Black Falcons - Evil
Black Knights - Evil
Fright Knights - Evil
Dragon Masters - Evil
I also use the blue and red ninja knights as bad guys.
Not the ninjas.
Dan
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> In lugnet.castle, Dan McNeally writes:
>
> snip >
>
> Black Falcons - Good
>
> Black Falcons - Evil
Oh No - Double agents
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In lugnet.castle, David Eaton writes:
> I got to thinking about this the other day... which castle themes are 'good
> guys' and 'bad guys'? I noticed this as my own lego kingdom has gotten
> progressivly overrun with what I think of as 'evil' lately...
>
> In my own personal kingdom:
> Crusaders/Lionheart - Good
> Forestmen/Dark Forest - Mostly Good
> Royal Knights - Good
>
> Black Falcons - Evil
> Black Knights - Evil
> Wolfpack - Mostly Evil
> Fright Knights - Evil
> Dragon Masters - Evil
Well, historically, LEGO has made very few "evil" minifigs. On that basis, I
would assume that all the male castle minifigs are good and all the female
minifigs are evil. :')
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In lugnet.castle, Jeff Johnston writes:
> In lugnet.castle, David Eaton writes: • sniped
>
> Oddly enough, I find that many of the major characters I think about are
> actually MOCs of a sort - I'll swap a head or something to create a unique
> fig. Most of my Wolfpack is unique...the exiled baron who leads the Dark
> Forest bandits...the Witch-Queen...does anybody else tend to do this, or do
> people stick with the existing cast of characters?
I usually do that too. All my Wolfpack and Forestmen are that way.
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> In lugnet.castle, Ed Jones writes:
>
> Well, historically, LEGO has made very few "evil" minifigs. On that basis, I
> would assume that all the male castle minifigs are good and all the female
> minifigs are evil. :')
Funny how Lego imitates life!!
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In lugnet.castle, Ed Jones writes:
>
> Well, historically, LEGO has made very few "evil" minifigs. On that basis, I
> would assume that all the male castle minifigs are good and all the female
> minifigs are evil. :')
Well, now that I think about, a more interesting question is:
Are most castle minifigs gay? In all of castle there is the Forest Wench, the
Guarded Inn Princess, the queen in the old "Jousting "? set, and the witch.
So, with no women around, what are these knights up to during the night? :')
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In lugnet.castle, Ed Jones writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Ed Jones writes:
> >
> > Well, historically, LEGO has made very few "evil" minifigs. On that basis, I
> > would assume that all the male castle minifigs are good and all the female
> > minifigs are evil. :')
>
> Well, now that I think about, a more interesting question is:
>
> Are most castle minifigs gay? In all of castle there is the Forest Wench, the
> Guarded Inn Princess, the queen in the old "Jousting "? set, and the witch.
>
> So, with no women around, what are these knights up to during the night? :')
I know where mine go -- One morning I caught a bunch of drunken mercenaries
over at my wifes' Paradisa setup. From that day on it has been known as
"Cin's shack of sin".
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In lugnet.castle, Dan Moquin writes:
> > In lugnet.castle, Dan McNeally writes:
> >
> > snip >
> >
> > Black Falcons - Good
> >
> > Black Falcons - Evil
>
>
> Oh No - Double agents
Sorry.
Black Falcons - Good
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In lugnet.castle, Jeff Johnston writes:
> Hm...this is interesting to me. I don't really have as much 'good' and 'evil'
> as might be expected...instead, my Castle-time LEGOs seem to have set up a
> rather complex political situation.
I tend to have two stories-- one for TLG's sets, and one for my own land. The
TLG story is more focused around one kingdom, in nearly constant dispute (save
1979?-1983 when it was only the yellow castle... no teams... calm... peace),
where once thriving forces (the black knights, lionhearts, black falcons, etc.)
have been decimated and destroyed never to return. My own storyline has all
the forces all at once... no force (of the castle themes) has been wiped out...
The single kingdom story sounds similar to your own... The 'golden age' (yellow
castle) to the dark ages (lionheart vs. black falcons vs. black knights) to
'present day' with fright knights, royal knights, etc...
Read on, should ye be curious:
The golden age (1979?-1983 sets) existed when the land was young. The dynasty
that ruled had united the feuding warlords of the chaos that reigned before and
had risen as the respected, unrivaled kingdom. The king ruled over all the
lands, which were divided among 5 of his vassals. Each of his vassals held a
plume of a particular color... red, white, yellow, blue, and black. The bearer
of the black plume was in later years to be christened "The Black Falcon"...
When the king died, a brief chaos insued. The king had had a son, but had sent
him off to study under the teachings of learned men far and away. The king's
son was nowhere to be found... As word howled across the land that the king had
died, and no heir was present, the people feared the return of chaos. There
were those that decided to storm the castle and raid it for supplies so that
they might survive the new chaotic reign. They rioted at the castle's gates,
stormed inside, and began looting the castle. In the end, the castle was
abandoned... burned, torn apart, and left in ruin.
As the people subsided, the 5 lords rose to take control of the land. At first,
the Black Falcon ('Lord Falcon' at the time) proposed that one of them (himself
to be more specific) be placed in the stead of the king. But the other lords
knew better. They knew that only the promise of the true king's return would
quiet the people. Hence, they constructed a new castle, and named it "King's
Castle" such that in the event of the heir's return, he might return to a new
castle to call his home. The five lords were to keep their residence at King's
Castle, until such time as the heir resurfaced; but Lord Falcon protested. He
said that he needed to oversee his own lands personally... he claimed that a
group of bandits had been marauding his lands and that they ought to build a
castle there for protection of the people. The 4 other lords (the knights of
#6080) saw no reason not to, and built what was then known as Knight's Castle.
(Hence we have arrived at the 1984 castle line) Lord Falcon now had what he
needed to start a campaign for the throne. But not a successful one. He bided
his time, constantly asking for more troops to serve him, more weapons against
the "bandits" and mostly, more money. But it was by chance that he found his
sword. He was happening by an armor shop (gee, what set is this, I wonder?)
when he saw a black broadsword. The owner said that the sword was sold to him
by 'good' bandits who had stolen this enchanted from an evil pagan warlord. The
story was enough for the Falcon.. an enchanted black sword was enough if only
in spirit to inspire men to fear him. And hence the war for the throne began.
Unfortunately for the Black Falcon, his troops were loosing. He had promised a
united rule under his hand, but it was proving worse. His own lands were being
starved for the war effort, and the land was divided. In what was to be the
deciding battle, the four lord's armies stormed Knight's castle, tearing it to
pieces. The Black Falcon escaped, though, as did the majority of his men. To
their advantage, Knight's castle was not fully destroyed. The gateway was torn
down, but little else was affected. Hence, it was rebuilt, only backwards, with
the gate on the rear face of the castle, between the two towers. Also, a small
addition to the rear wall was added for the Black Falcon's own luxury. The
re-vamped castle was known as Black Falcon's Fortress.
Anyway, I just realized I've spent quite some time writing this, and I'm not
even to 1987 yet; and I have to get up to 1998. At any rate, you get the
jist... The black knights appear (they burn King's Castle (it turns black) and
becomes Black Monarch's Castle), the four lords become the 'crusaders' as they
battle in their 'crusade' to unite the lands rightfully again... the wolfpack
and forestmen arrive as theives and mercinaries... The dragon masters come in
and wreak havoc on the land (as well as themselves!) at which point shortly
thereafter, the rightful heir returns (surprise surprise!) and we have the
emergence of the 'Royal Knights'... then we've got the witch seducing a
powerful warlord (the Bat Lord) and helping him rise to power, etc., etc....
Maybe someday I'll write it ALL down...
> Oddly enough, I find that many of the major characters I think about are
> actually MOCs of a sort - I'll swap a head or something to create a unique
> fig. Most of my Wolfpack is unique...the exiled baron who leads the Dark
> Forest bandits...the Witch-Queen...does anybody else tend to do this, or do
> people stick with the existing cast of characters?
I used to swap body parts around a LOT.... I don't do it as much any more...
I've rebuilt all my armies exactly as they were 'intended'... makes for a lot
more diversity among the troops than I'd have in the old stuff (black falcons,
crusaders, etc), but little diversity in present sets... like fright knights,
of which there are only 5 distinct characters, etc.. I'll probably start
re-doing them at some point to MOCs since I like my minifig desing better than
theirs (who doesn't?)... probably when I build my lego kingdom (possibly my
next project after I finish the my AT-AT, and dismantle it)
Laterz,
DaveE
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In lugnet.castle, Dan Moquin writes:
> > So, with no women around, what are these knights up to during the night? :')
>
> I know where mine go -- One morning I caught a bunch of drunken mercenaries
> over at my wifes' Paradisa setup. From that day on it has been known as
> "Cin's shack of sin".
Better there than in the stables!
(sorry, I just had to... forgive me :P )
DaveE
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In lugnet.castle, Jeff Johnston writes:
> In lugnet.castle, David Eaton writes:
> > I got to thinking about this the other day... which castle themes are 'good
> > guys' and 'bad guys'? I noticed this as my own lego kingdom has gotten
> > progressivly overrun with what I think of as 'evil' lately...
> >
> > In my own personal kingdom:
> > Crusaders/Lionheart - Good
> > Forestmen/Dark Forest - Mostly Good
> > Royal Knights - Good
> >
> > Black Falcons - Evil
> > Black Knights - Evil
> > Wolfpack - Mostly Evil
> > Fright Knights - Evil
> > Dragon Masters - Evil
>
> Hm...this is interesting to me. I don't really have as much 'good' and 'evil'
> as might be expected...instead, my Castle-time LEGOs seem to have set up a
> rather complex political situation.
>
> A long time ago, the land was united under one ruler, whose sign was "purpure,
> a crown or". It was a golden time, full of loyal knights, tournaments and
> processions, but it is a time lost forever - a time before the Dark Ages.
>
> After the Dark Ages, the first monarch to come to my attention ruled a large
> and well-appointed kingdom which seemed initially to be at peace, even though
> it was recently founded. But there were rumors of darker things afoot. Some
> claimed that a man identical to the king was imprisoned beneath the castle,
> locked in an iron mask. (I had an extra Royal King from the Carriage...I needed
> *something* to do with him!) The brave bandits of the Dark Forest - led by a
> deposed Baron - were the only ones who suspected the truth.
>
> It turned out that an evil Witch-Queen from the East had created a magical
> duplicate of the King to rule in his place. Once he was firmly ensconced, the
> legions of the Fright Knights marched over the land, along with the black-clad
> dragon-helmed mercenaries they had hired to provide heavy infantry support. The
> bandits put up a guerilla resistance and eventually managed to free the King
> from his imprisonment.
>
> To add more complexity to the situation, it turns out that the King is the
> youngest son of a large royal family whose domain is on the islands to the
> north. He despaired of ever inheriting the throne, and left to found his own
> nation. Now, the eldest brother (and rightful heir to the throne) is missing,
> and the second brother has "convinced" his siblings to support his claim for
> the throne. However, he wants to make sure that all competition is either on
> his side...or eliminated.
>
> What happened to the eldest brother? Nobody knows, but a mysterious Black
> Knight rides with the Dragon Army. He keeps to himself, and nobody sees him
> out of his armor...
>
> Meanwhile, the rough men of the Wolfpack - a famed and ruthless mercenary unit
> - have come to the land. They accept all who wish to join, asking no questions
> about the past. Who hired them? What side are they on?
>
> What about the mysterious Black Falcons? The last time they were seen in these
> parts their appearance heralded the coming of the Dark Ages.
>
> And there are rumors abroad that three wizards againw alk the lands: one clad
> in blue, with a staff tipped witha sapphire; one clad in green, with a staff
> tipped by an emerald; and one clad in black, with a staff tipped with a ruby.
> What do they want? What forces do they represent? Only time will tell...
>
> * * *
>
> Oddly enough, I find that many of the major characters I think about are
> actually MOCs of a sort - I'll swap a head or something to create a unique
> fig. Most of my Wolfpack is unique...the exiled baron who leads the Dark
> Forest bandits...the Witch-Queen...does anybody else tend to do this, or do
> people stick with the existing cast of characters?
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On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Ed Jones (<FIqCG4.Eon@lugnet.com>) wrote at
17:55:16
> Are most castle minifigs gay? In all of castle there is the Forest Wench, the
> Guarded Inn Princess, the queen in the old "Jousting "? set, and the witch.
>
> So, with no women around, what are these knights up to during the night? :')
Vigil.
Praying and lashing themselves with chains. They're all very devout. :-)
--
Tony Priestman
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On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, David Eaton (<FIq5ry.11L@lugnet.com>) wrote at
15:31:10
> I got to thinking about this the other day... which castle themes are 'good
> guys' and 'bad guys'?
Hmmm. A bit simplistic. I run a full feudal system, where each knight
owes allegiance to the King.
Each knight has a household, all of whom owe allegiance to their knight.
Everyone is looking out for number one, and the means by which they do
it can be interpreted as good or evil, depending on your point of view,
and whether your army is bigger than their army :-)
--
Tony Priestman
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In lugnet.castle, Dan Moquin writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Ed Jones writes:
> > So, with no women around, what are these knights up to during the night? :')
>
> I know where mine go -- One morning I caught a bunch of drunken mercenaries
> over at my wifes' Paradisa setup. From that day on it has been known as
> "Cin's shack of sin".
Which brings up a question: What happens to your Lego when you aren't looking?
I know that no lego MOC is safe in our basement - there's about 4 or 5 people
who have MOC's in our basement at any given time, and all of them are ripe
targets for oddball scenes. Two that come to mind:
The Invasion
My wife's castle was sitting there, all innocent, when two of us concoted
about a dozen robots out of various black bits and peices, and invaded. Over
the course of the next few weeks, a pitched battle was fought, but never while
anyone was looking... Eventually the robots were repelled, but not without
several memorable scenes.(1)
Keep a close eye on that ninja!
A friendly little inn, with a couple cozy rooms, a kitchen and a commons
sat, unmolested. Then one day, a ninja wandered past. No one paid it much
attention. A short time later, a rope appeared on the side of the inn. Over
the course of a month, the ninja slowly climbed up the inn, until he was
looking in the open ceiling. Over a few weeks, the rope was slowly lowered
into the inn, but no one paid it much mind. The next thing anyone knew,
everyone was dead, and the ninja was nowhere to be found...For all we know,
he's still out there somewhere, slaughtering oblivous patrons in some other
inn...
James
http://www.shades-of-night.com/lego/
1:the cook clinging to a 4-legged robot tank and bashing it with a fry pan
comes to mind...
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In lugnet.castle, Craig Hamilton writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Jeff Johnston writes:
> > In lugnet.castle, David Eaton writes:
> > > I got to thinking about this the other day... which castle themes are 'good
> > > guys' and 'bad guys'? I noticed this as my own lego kingdom has gotten
> > > progressivly overrun with what I think of as 'evil' lately...
> > >
> > > In my own personal kingdom:
> > > Crusaders/Lionheart - Good
> > > Forestmen/Dark Forest - Mostly Good
> > > Royal Knights - Good
> > >
> > > Black Falcons - Evil
> > > Black Knights - Evil
> > > Wolfpack - Mostly Evil
> > > Fright Knights - Evil
> > > Dragon Masters - Evil
> >
> > Hm...this is interesting to me. I don't really have as much 'good' and 'evil'
> > as might be expected...instead, my Castle-time LEGOs seem to have set up a
> > rather complex political situation.
> >
> > A long time ago, the land was united under one ruler, whose sign was "purpure,
> > a crown or". It was a golden time, full of loyal knights, tournaments and
> > processions, but it is a time lost forever - a time before the Dark Ages.
> >
> > After the Dark Ages, the first monarch to come to my attention ruled a large
> > and well-appointed kingdom which seemed initially to be at peace, even though
> > it was recently founded. But there were rumors of darker things afoot. Some
> > claimed that a man identical to the king was imprisoned beneath the castle,
> > locked in an iron mask. (I had an extra Royal King from the Carriage...I needed
> > *something* to do with him!) The brave bandits of the Dark Forest - led by a
> > deposed Baron - were the only ones who suspected the truth.
> >
> > It turned out that an evil Witch-Queen from the East had created a magical
> > duplicate of the King to rule in his place. Once he was firmly ensconced, the
> > legions of the Fright Knights marched over the land, along with the black-clad
> > dragon-helmed mercenaries they had hired to provide heavy infantry support. The
> > bandits put up a guerilla resistance and eventually managed to free the King
> > from his imprisonment.
> >
> > To add more complexity to the situation, it turns out that the King is the
> > youngest son of a large royal family whose domain is on the islands to the
> > north. He despaired of ever inheriting the throne, and left to found his own
> > nation. Now, the eldest brother (and rightful heir to the throne) is missing,
> > and the second brother has "convinced" his siblings to support his claim for
> > the throne. However, he wants to make sure that all competition is either on
> > his side...or eliminated.
> >
> > What happened to the eldest brother? Nobody knows, but a mysterious Black
> > Knight rides with the Dragon Army. He keeps to himself, and nobody sees him
> > out of his armor...
> >
> > Meanwhile, the rough men of the Wolfpack - a famed and ruthless mercenary unit
> > - have come to the land. They accept all who wish to join, asking no questions
> > about the past. Who hired them? What side are they on?
> >
> > What about the mysterious Black Falcons? The last time they were seen in these
> > parts their appearance heralded the coming of the Dark Ages.
> >
> > And there are rumors abroad that three wizards againw alk the lands: one clad
> > in blue, with a staff tipped witha sapphire; one clad in green, with a staff
> > tipped by an emerald; and one clad in black, with a staff tipped with a ruby.
> > What do they want? What forces do they represent? Only time will tell...
> >
> > * * *
> >
> > Oddly enough, I find that many of the major characters I think about are
> > actually MOCs of a sort - I'll swap a head or something to create a unique
> > fig. Most of my Wolfpack is unique...the exiled baron who leads the Dark
> > Forest bandits...the Witch-Queen...does anybody else tend to do this, or do
> > people stick with the existing cast of characters?
~gads! i'm glad i'm not the only one who has woven a complex web of soap opera
intrigue around the castle characters! if the parts weren't meant to be
rearranged, why do they come apart? to me, this is an element of the
creativity. i prefer kingdoms of individuals to armies of clones. my favorite
evil character is the arch rival to majisto, (my creation) the red wizard,
mephisto. i also like to have lots of ambiguous characters that can go either
way in between. check them out at:
http://community-1.webtv.net/anonymouseye/craigolego
good? evil? the picture titled "black, white, & shades of gray" pretty much
sums it up for me...
later ~ craig
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In lugnet.castle, Tony Priestman writes:
> > I got to thinking about this the other day... which castle themes are 'good
> > guys' and 'bad guys'?
>
> Hmmm. A bit simplistic. I run a full feudal system, where each knight
> owes allegiance to the King.
>
> Each knight has a household, all of whom owe allegiance to their knight.
>
> Everyone is looking out for number one, and the means by which they do
> it can be interpreted as good or evil, depending on your point of view,
> and whether your army is bigger than their army :-)
Awww... no gigantic clashes of good and evil.... <:(
Yeah, that's much more realistic... It's just fun to imagine the castle world
in black & white... much more fairy-tale-ish or mythic, depending on your
view...
DaveE
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In lugnet.castle, Ed Jones writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Ed Jones writes:
> >
> > Well, historically, LEGO has made very few "evil" minifigs. On that basis, I
> > would assume that all the male castle minifigs are good and all the female
> > minifigs are evil. :')
>
> Well, now that I think about, a more interesting question is:
>
> Are most castle minifigs gay? In all of castle there is the Forest Wench, the
> Guarded Inn Princess, the queen in the old "Jousting "? set, and the witch.
>
> So, with no women around, what are these knights up to during the night? :')
well, my castle scenarios have lots of women & babes (about four guys to every
girl) but about half of these chicks are lesbians, so the men are still pretty
restless at night.(could be fun <snicker>) visitors to my site know what kind
of havok WENDY the wolfpack babe brought to wp tower when she moved in, so
maybe a bunch of honeys running around isn't such a good idea.
and i don't know about the rest of the castle crowd, but that dark forest boy
with the pageboy hair... definitely gay.
later ~ craig (feelin' rather decadent now)
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In lugnet.castle, Craig Hamilton writes:
> well, my castle scenarios have lots of women & babes (about four guys to every
> girl) but about half of these chicks are lesbians, so the men are still pretty
> restless at night.(could be fun <snicker>)
You know...this is somehow becoming even more bizarre than discussing the sex
lives of cartoon characters. And that takes doing... I'm sorry, I just can't
picture those lil' yellow guys doing the nasty. It's just plain wrong.
> and i don't know about the rest of the castle crowd, but that dark forest boy
> with the pageboy hair... definitely gay.
Craig, you silly goose...the dark forest 'boy' is really a maiden in disguise.
Her father, a minor Baron, died and upon taking up his father's titles, her
ambitious and greedy brother arranged for her to marry a wealthy and lecherous
Marquis. But the strong-willed girl wasn't going to stand for such a thing, so
on the eve of her wedding day, she disguised herself as a page and escaped into
the forest where she joined the Dark Forest bandits. It's taken a lot of
cunning to preserve her disguise, but so far, the bandits haven't found out.
(Their leader harbors some suspicions - he was a good friend of the girls'
father before he was exiled, and he feels strongly paternal to the girl now and
tries to keep her out of trouble.)
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In lugnet.castle, Ed Jones writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Ed Jones writes:
> >
> > Well, historically, LEGO has made very few "evil" minifigs. On that basis, I
> > would assume that all the male castle minifigs are good and all the female
> > minifigs are evil. :')
>
> Well, now that I think about, a more interesting question is:
>
> Are most castle minifigs gay? In all of castle there is the Forest Wench, the
> Guarded Inn Princess, the queen in the old "Jousting "? set, and the witch.
Don't forget the Dark Forest girl with the bangs, the princess from the
Mountain Fortress, the maiden from the Maiden's Cart - and do you *really* know
what gender a classic smiley is? Maybe there's long, flowing hair bound up
under the helmets of the Black Falcons...hmm...an elite unit of warrior
women...
But there are lots of witches. Lots and lots of them. I have them coming out
my ears. Maybe the lack of other women is due to a curse from the witches, who
were all upset because they weren't getting any dates on Friday nights. (It's
that one tooth thing, I think). So they made most of the women disappear. But
they still don't get any dates. It's kind of sad, really.
Or maybe the classic-smiley faces are actually hermaphroditic minifigs, who can
take on the role of either gender with the switch fo a wig! There are fish and
frogs who can switch gender based on imbalances in the population...maybe
minifigs are the same?
J
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On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, David Eaton (<FIqGx7.1vA@lugnet.com>) wrote at
19:31:55
> In lugnet.castle, Tony Priestman writes:
> >
> > Everyone is looking out for number one, and the means by which they do
> > it can be interpreted as good or evil, depending on your point of view,
> > and whether your army is bigger than their army :-)
>
> Awww... no gigantic clashes of good and evil.... <:(
>
> Yeah, that's much more realistic... It's just fun to imagine the castle world
> in black & white... much more fairy-tale-ish or mythic, depending on your
> view...
Yeah, I know. I really need to work on this imagination thing :-)
--
Tony Priestman
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In lugnet.castle, Jeff Johnston writes:
>
> You know...this is somehow becoming even more bizarre than discussing the sex
> lives of cartoon characters. And that takes doing... I'm sorry, I just can't
> picture those lil' yellow guys doing the nasty. It's just plain wrong.
Not to mention the fact that none of the minifigs have any equipment anyway.
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Tony Priestman wrote:
> Praying and lashing themselves with chains.
Make that lashing eah other with chains and it's more like it. Not to
mention all those whips lego supplies us with. Dungeon fun!
Kevin
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In lugnet.castle, Ed Jones writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Jeff Johnston writes:
> >
> > You know...this is somehow becoming even more bizarre than discussing the sex
> > lives of cartoon characters. And that takes doing... I'm sorry, I just can't
> > picture those lil' yellow guys doing the nasty. It's just plain wrong.
>
> Not to mention the fact that none of the minifigs have any equipment anyway.
what do you mean no equipment? there's swords, and lances, and sheilds, and--
oh. OHHH! THAT kind of equipment!
~ silly goose craig
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In lugnet.castle, David Eaton writes:
> I got to thinking about this the other day... which castle themes are 'good
> guys' and 'bad guys'? I noticed this as my own lego kingdom has gotten
> progressivly overrun with what I think of as 'evil' lately...
>
> In my own personal kingdom:
> Crusaders/Lionheart - Good
> Forestmen/Dark Forest - Mostly Good
> Royal Knights - Good
>
> Black Falcons - Evil
> Black Knights - Evil
> Wolfpack - Mostly Evil
> Fright Knights - Evil
> Dragon Masters - Evil
>
> Then of course there's the original Castle theme... but I don't own any of
> those :( they'd probably by good, though. Of course (like everyone else,
> probably) I've got my own storyline, etc., so there's no clear cut 'EVIL' and
> 'GOOD', but in general, anyway...
>
> Maybe the 2000 sets will feature a new stream of 'good guys'...
>
> DaveE
WELL, I HOPE PLAINE AND SIMPLE THAT THE YEAR 2OO WILL ACTUALLY BRING NEW
CASSTLE(AND PIRATE) SETS. I KNOW IVE ASKED BEFOR, BUT IF ANYONE HAS ANY INFO
ON THE NEW CASTLE SETS SUPPOSEDLY COMING OUT THIS 2000 YEAR THEN E MAIL ME
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JOHN NEWTON <CACTUS03@AOL.COM> wrote:
> WELL, I HOPE PLAINE AND SIMPLE THAT THE YEAR 2OO WILL ACTUALLY BRING NEW
> CASSTLE(AND PIRATE) SETS. I KNOW IVE ASKED BEFOR, BUT IF ANYONE HAS ANY INFO
> ON THE NEW CASTLE SETS SUPPOSEDLY COMING OUT THIS 2000 YEAR THEN E MAIL ME
Turn off the CAPS LOCK key.
--
The parts you want and nothing else?
http://jaba.dtrh.com/ - Just Another Brick Auction
Why pay eBay? Run your own LEGO auctions for free!
http://www.guarded-inn.com/bricks/
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> > WELL, I HOPE PLAINE AND SIMPLE THAT THE YEAR 2OO WILL ACTUALLY BRING NEW
> > CASSTLE(AND PIRATE) SETS. • <snip>
> Turn off the CAPS LOCK key.
Back in the year 200, or I guess 199 where this guy is from, they only
had capital letters. :)
Ben Roller
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In lugnet.castle, Ben Roller writes:
> > > WELL, I HOPE PLAINE AND SIMPLE THAT THE YEAR 2OO WILL ACTUALLY BRING NEW
> > > CASSTLE(AND PIRATE) SETS. • <snip>
> > Turn off the CAPS LOCK key.
>
> Back in the year 200, or I guess 199 where this guy is from, they only
> had capital letters. :)
>
> Ben Roller
Yeah, 'little letters' didn't arrive until sometime in the middle ages, in
France, I think... This guy must just be new! After all, he's using that 'new'
letter 'U' instead of always using 'V'... so he's learning!
DaveE
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Reminds me of the time I left a variety of aquanauts, pirate, and town sets
laying round my student halls of residence. Over the course of a couple
weeks, the pirates monkey managed to abscond up a (real) bonsai tree with
the treasure, and a good collection of silver spears and knifes.
Many pirates were felled attempting to recover their gold, but none could
safely get into the tree, until the day a postman appeared with a sackful of
yellow 1x1 round plates...
Once the monkey was suitably drugged, and swinging from the branches, postie
was able to get away with all the treasure before summoning an ambulance to
recover the wounded.
I know, not at all castle, but Tesco's didn't have any on special ;(
(Duckie) Dave Till
James Brown wrote in message ...
> In lugnet.castle, Dan Moquin writes:
>
> Which brings up a question: What happens to your Lego when you aren't • looking?
>
> I know that no lego MOC is safe in our basement - there's about 4 or 5 • people
> who have MOC's in our basement at any given time, and all of them are ripe
> targets for oddball scenes. Two that come to mind:
>
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In lugnet.castle, Dan McNeally writes:
> In lugnet.castle, David Eaton writes:
> > I got to thinking about this the other day... which castle themes are 'good
> > guys' and 'bad guys'? I noticed this as my own lego kingdom has gotten
> > progressivly overrun with what I think of as 'evil' lately...
> >
> > In my own personal kingdom:
> > Crusaders/Lionheart - Good
> > Forestmen/Dark Forest - Mostly Good
> > Royal Knights - Good
> >
> > Black Falcons - Evil
> > Black Knights - Evil
> > Wolfpack - Mostly Evil
> > Fright Knights - Evil
> > Dragon Masters - Evil
> >
> > Then of course there's the original Castle theme... but I don't own any of
> > those :( they'd probably by good, though. Of course (like everyone else,
> > probably) I've got my own storyline, etc., so there's no clear cut 'EVIL' and
> > 'GOOD', but in general, anyway...
> >
> > Maybe the 2000 sets will feature a new stream of 'good guys'...
> >
> > DaveE
>
> In my personal kingdom.
> Royal Knights - Good
> Forestmen/Dark Forest - Mostly Good
> Crusaders/Lionheart - I consider them part of the Royal Knights
> Wolfpack - Good
> Black Falcons - Good
>
> Black Falcons - Evil
> Black Knights - Evil
> Fright Knights - Evil
> Dragon Masters - Evil
> I also use the blue and red ninja knights as bad guys.
> Not the ninjas.
>
> Dan
Which brings me to an interesting question: who is good and who is bad in the
Ninja realm, or is there no definite good and bad? Here's the way I see it:
there is one good team and two bad teams, not necessarily allied with each
other.
Good Team #1: Good Shogun (black and blue suit)
Blue samurai warriors
Grey Ninjas
Bad Team #1: Red Ninjas (including Old Man)
Evil Shogun (white and red suit)
Bad Team #2: Samurai Robber Chief
Eyepatched robber
Black Ninjas
I know what you're thinking: the white ninja princess isn't here! As for her,
I
don't know what side she's on; she might have a side of her own! Anybody else
have any idea about how good and bad works in this subtheme?
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In lugnet.castle, Mike Kane writes:
> Which brings me to an interesting question: who is good and who is bad in the
> Ninja realm, or is there no definite good and bad? Here's the way I see it:
> there is one good team and two bad teams, not necessarily allied with each
> other.
>
> Good Team #1: Good Shogun (black and blue suit)
> Blue samurai warriors
> Grey Ninjas
> Bad Team #1: Red Ninjas (including Old Man)
> Evil Shogun (white and red suit)
> Bad Team #2: Samurai Robber Chief
> Eyepatched robber
> Black Ninjas
>
> I know what you're thinking: the white ninja princess isn't here! As for her,
> I
> don't know what side she's on; she might have a side of her own! Anybody else
> have any idea about how good and bad works in this subtheme?
You clearly haven't seen Kage No Gundan: the Black ninja are good, Gray are
bad.
"My body is iron, my soul is air, I destroy evil!"
Bruce
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In lugnet.castle, Mike Kane writes:
> Which brings me to an interesting question: who is good and who is bad in
> the Ninja realm, or is there no definite good and bad?
> ...
> Anybody else have any idea about how good and bad works in this subtheme?
I have the following as my MOC (I just came out of my Dark Ages in December, so
I've loaded up on recent sets), and a guess to the theme's intent:
Grey Ninja are used (not terribly effectively) by my good, blue-flag (ninja and
Knight's Kingdom) army, manning the Bulls' siege machines. The Bulls are
mercenaries hired by the blue-flag Shougun, and mostly proceed on foot (not
really trusted). I believe the grey ninja were intended by TLC to be unallied
and opportunistic, in general.
Black Ninja are students of my Darth Vader and Darth Mauls at the ninja
academy, and are unallied. I believe they're supposed to be good in the theme,
and allied with the blue samurai.
Red Ninja are trained by the Red Ninja Master, who bound as a servant to the
wielder of a very evil relic. In the theme, I think the red ninja are allied
with the black dragon shougun, who is (or is a servant of) the emperor, and
evil.
My White Ninja is the daughter of the administrator of the ninja academy... but
in the theme, she's the daughter of the Emperor, so evil I guess.
I might have this a bit confused, because I don't know if TLC really intended
their behind-the-scenes emperor to turn out evil. But the Ninja theme seems to
me to be more about alliances than good vs. evil.
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I know this post is old, but I can't help but reply. :)
I have no real "Good" and "evil", rather, two factions.
Faction 1:
Black Knights (Everyone has the down as "evil". They never seemed evil to me)
Royal Knights
Crusaders
Black Falcons
Those new knights .. whatever they are called ;)
Bulls
Fright Knights
Neutral:
Dragon Masters (These guys are basically good with evil tendencies.)
Faction 2:
Forestmen
Wolfpacks
Needless to say, faction 2 is greatly outnumbered about 5 to 1. ;)
~ Michael
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