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I need some pikes for my medieval/renaissance armies and I was wondering what
solutions others have used, the standard spear being too short for a pike. I
thought of shaving off the axe blade from the gray halberd, which leaves a
longer spear, but it has that clunky squared off section, and a pike should be
longer than a halberd in any case. I can get a long enough effect with a spear
mated to a lightsabre, though at the cost of a rather unsatisfying color
combination. Any suggestions?
Bruce
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In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> I need some pikes for my medieval/renaissance armies and I was wondering what
> solutions others have used, the standard spear being too short for a pike. I
> thought of shaving off the axe blade from the gray halberd, which leaves a
> longer spear, but it has that clunky squared off section, and a pike should be
> longer than a halberd in any case. I can get a long enough effect with a • spear
> mated to a lightsabre, though at the cost of a rather unsatisfying color
> combination. Any suggestions?
Fake it. :)
Have your minifigs standing sideways in the pikewall, so that the "pike" is
angled down through both their hands. In the upper hand, have them holding a
spear, with as much extension as they can get. In the back hand, have them
holding an antenna rod, or a solid 'lightsaber blade', so that the shafts line
up. Might not stand to a close inspection, but from a distance it should
definately look cool.
James
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In lugnet.castle, James Brown writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > I need some pikes for my medieval/renaissance armies and I was wondering what
> > solutions others have used, the standard spear being too short for a pike. I
> > thought of shaving off the axe blade from the gray halberd, which leaves a
> > longer spear, but it has that clunky squared off section, and a pike should • be
> > longer than a halberd in any case. I can get a long enough effect with a • spear
> > mated to a lightsabre, though at the cost of a rather unsatisfying color
> > combination. Any suggestions?
>
> Fake it. :)
>
> Have your minifigs standing sideways in the pikewall, so that the "pike" is
> angled down through both their hands.
That works for the Swiss, who were very agressive, though I don't think the
Scots were that sophisticated. Good suggestion.
> In the upper hand, have them holding a
> spear, with as much extension as they can get. In the back hand, have them
> holding an antenna rod, or a solid 'lightsaber blade', so that the shafts line
> up. Might not stand to a close inspection, but from a distance it should
> definately look cool.
That's the way I currently have them (lightsabre blade, lightsabre handle,
spear). I could horrify everyone and simply glue and paint them so they'll be
sturdy and look better.
Bruce
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In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.castle, James Brown writes:
> > Fake it. :)
> >
> > Have your minifigs standing sideways in the pikewall, so that the "pike" is
> > angled down through both their hands.
>
> That works for the Swiss, who were very agressive, though I don't think the
> Scots were that sophisticated. Good suggestion.
>
> > In the upper hand, have them holding a
> > spear, with as much extension as they can get. In the back hand, have them
> > holding an antenna rod, or a solid 'lightsaber blade', so that the shafts
> > line
> > up. Might not stand to a close inspection, but from a distance it should
> > definately look cool.
>
> That's the way I currently have them (lightsabre blade, lightsabre handle,
> spear). I could horrify everyone and simply glue and paint them so they'll be
> sturdy and look better.
Why not use a lance for the grip part, and attach a spear to the other end? If
the minifig holds the lance "backwards", the handle would give ample
opportunities for connecting bit to hold the spear. Done in the right way, it
could even suggest the "lack of sophistication" of Scots (although anyone
capable of making and weilding a claymore seems pretty sophisticated to me).
eric
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In lugnet.castle, Eric Joslin writes:
> Why not use a lance for the grip part, and attach a spear to the other
> end? If the minifig holds the lance "backwards", the handle would give
> ample opportunities for connecting bit to hold the spear.
This is a lot like what we did when we needed to make Japanese spears for a
game a few months ago, we reversed the lances and attached sabers to the butt
ends (rather than spears). You can find pictures of them at
http://www.teleport.com/~rayhawks/games/n-setup.htm
> Done in the right way, it could even suggest the "lack of sophistication"
> of Scots (although anyone capable of making and weilding a claymore seems
> pretty sophisticated to me).
More properly stated, if you meet someone who has made and is wielding a
claymore, are you going to tell him he's unsophisticated?
- Mike Rayhawk.
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In lugnet.castle, Mike Rayhawk writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Eric Joslin writes:
> > Why not use a lance for the grip part, and attach a spear to the other
> > end? If the minifig holds the lance "backwards", the handle would give
> > ample opportunities for connecting bit to hold the spear.
>
> This is a lot like what we did when we needed to make Japanese spears for a
> game a few months ago, we reversed the lances and attached sabers to the butt
> ends (rather than spears). You can find pictures of them at
> http://www.teleport.com/~rayhawks/games/n-setup.htm
I like the ones with what looks like the toilet-plunger (flag-holder, whatever)
with 1x1 round and katana. Either style is fine for a naginata, but not quite
what I'm looking for in a western pike.
>
>
> > Done in the right way, it could even suggest the "lack of sophistication"
> > of Scots (although anyone capable of making and weilding a claymore seems
> > pretty sophisticated to me).
>
> More properly stated, if you meet someone who has made and is wielding a
> claymore, are you going to tell him he's unsophisticated?
>
>
> - Mike Rayhawk.
Ummmm, errr, I was refering to the Scots methods of pike-handling as opposed to
the Swiss. The Swiss were capable of much more offensive action than the
Scots. Considering the latter were often facing longbow armed troops, this
proved decisive on more than one occassion.
And I ain't arguing with anyone slinging a sword whether he made it or not.
:-)
Bruce
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In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Mike Rayhawk writes:
> > In lugnet.castle, Eric Joslin writes:
> > > Why not use a lance for the grip part, and attach a spear to the other
> > > end? If the minifig holds the lance "backwards", the handle would give
> > > ample opportunities for connecting bit to hold the spear.
> >
> > This is a lot like what we did when we needed to make Japanese spears for a
> > game a few months ago, we reversed the lances and attached sabers to the butt
> > ends (rather than spears). You can find pictures of them at
> > http://www.teleport.com/~rayhawks/games/n-setup.htm
>
> I like the ones with what looks like the toilet-plunger (flag-holder, • whatever)
> with 1x1 round and katana. Either style is fine for a naginata, but not quite
> what I'm looking for in a western pike.
>
> >
> >
> > > Done in the right way, it could even suggest the "lack of sophistication"
> > > of Scots (although anyone capable of making and weilding a claymore seems
> > > pretty sophisticated to me).
> >
> > More properly stated, if you meet someone who has made and is wielding a
> > claymore, are you going to tell him he's unsophisticated?
> >
> >
> > - Mike Rayhawk.
>
> Ummmm, errr, I was refering to the Scots methods of pike-handling as opposed • to
> the Swiss. The Swiss were capable of much more offensive action than the
> Scots. Considering the latter were often facing longbow armed troops, this
> proved decisive on more than one occassion.
>
> And I ain't arguing with anyone slinging a sword whether he made it or not.
> :-)
>
> Bruce
Ok, I am away from my legos, so I can't test this, but tell me what you think,
cause after all, I seem to be famous for my makeshift weapons. How about if
you did this. Take a lance, turn it around, and put two 1x1 round bricks of
the same color on the handle end. Then insert a silver dagger (from the
underwater lego sets) into the top most 1x1 round brick. How's that?
--Anthony
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In lugnet.castle, Anthony Sava writes:
> Ok, I am away from my legos, so I can't test this, but tell me what you think,
> cause after all, I seem to be famous for my makeshift weapons. How about if
> you did this. Take a lance, turn it around, and put two 1x1 round bricks of
> the same color on the handle end. Then insert a silver dagger (from the
> underwater lego sets) into the top most 1x1 round brick. How's that?
>
> --Anthony
I had a good time tinkering with Lego (okay, okay, playing with Lego, stop
twisting my arm) last night.
Best visually sans color is the lightsabre with a spear in the other end. No
huge out-of-proportion pieces. Is there a black lightsabre blade? Gray I have
a few of, but mostly the transparent ones. I suppose I could chop up matching
spears and then I'd only have the chrome lightsabre handle, but I could live
with that.
Not too bad was the toilet-plunger with 1x1 round with spear. Made 'em all
black and this worked reasonably well. A fraction shorter, but quite
servicable. Replacing the spear with a katana works even better since the hilt
covers the rest of the hole in the 1x round, but it makes a better naginata
than pike.
Anthony's trick above produces a nice pike tip, but a real-top heavy look. The
lance is quite long, so the length is okay.
Lopping the blade and reverse spike off a gray halberd produces a slightly
longer spear that could be servicable as long as you don't mix them with
halberds in the same unit (which of course, is what they often did).
The two-handed over-hand body-sideways thrust pose looks great except it kinda
prevent a second rank standing close.
I'll have to see about the plastic tube/rod from the hobby store when I get a
chance.
Bruce
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In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> Best visually sans color is the lightsabre with a spear in the other end. No
> huge out-of-proportion pieces. Is there a black lightsabre blade?
The Star Wars A-Wing has two of them in black.
JohnG, GMLTC
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In lugnet.castle, John Gerlach writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > Best visually sans color is the lightsabre with a spear in the other end. No
> > huge out-of-proportion pieces. Is there a black lightsabre blade?
>
> The Star Wars A-Wing has two of them in black.
Even longer, the little Xteam hangglider has some slightly longer ones in black
as well...they might work even better, not sure.
> JohnG, GMLTC
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In lugnet.castle, John Gerlach writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > Best visually sans color is the lightsabre with a spear in the other end. No
> > huge out-of-proportion pieces. Is there a black lightsabre blade?
>
> The Star Wars A-Wing has two of them in black.
>
> JohnG, GMLTC
I believe the Emperor's cane is also one in the SW Sith figure pack.
John
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In lugnet.castle, John Radtke writes:
> I believe the Emperor's cane is also one in the SW Sith figure pack.
>
> John
For the non-purists, I may have just stumbled upon another solution. I was
walking past the coffee machine here at work, and noticed they have small
black straws for stirring the coffee. I picked on up, and thought "that would
fit a minifig hand". Brought it back to my desk, yep - it fits perfectly.
They're about five inches long, and lightweight enough that the figs don't
topple.
Now, all I have to do is figure out how to get several hundred of them...
<grin>
JohnG, GMLTC
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In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
>
> Best visually sans color is the lightsabre with a spear in the other end. No
> huge out-of-proportion pieces. Is there a black lightsabre blade? Gray I • have
> a few of, but mostly the transparent ones. I suppose I could chop up matching
> spears and then I'd only have the chrome lightsabre handle, but I could live
> with that.
The Naboo swamp has four dark gray ones for the stap fighter thingies.
Sean
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> In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> >
> > Best visually sans color is the lightsabre with a spear in the other end. • No
> > huge out-of-proportion pieces. Is there a black lightsabre blade? Gray • I
> have
> > a few of, but mostly the transparent ones. I suppose I could chop up • matching
> > spears and then I'd only have the chrome lightsabre handle, but I could • live
> > with that.
>
> The Naboo swamp has four dark gray ones for the stap fighter thingies.
And the A-Wing has black 4 stud long rods, which I will be adding soon to my
sales page, along with many dark gray rods as well.
Scott S.
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In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Anthony Sava writes:
>
> > Ok, I am away from my legos, so I can't test this, but tell me what you think,
> > cause after all, I seem to be famous for my makeshift weapons. How about if
> > you did this. Take a lance, turn it around, and put two 1x1 round bricks of
> > the same color on the handle end. Then insert a silver dagger (from the
> > underwater lego sets) into the top most 1x1 round brick. How's that?
> >
> > --Anthony
>
>
> I had a good time tinkering with Lego (okay, okay, playing with Lego, stop
> twisting my arm) last night.
>
> Best visually sans color is the lightsabre with a spear in the other end. No
> huge out-of-proportion pieces. Is there a black lightsabre blade? Gray I have
> a few of, but mostly the transparent ones. I suppose I could chop up matching
> spears and then I'd only have the chrome lightsabre handle, but I could live
> with that.
>
> Not too bad was the toilet-plunger with 1x1 round with spear. Made 'em all
> black and this worked reasonably well. A fraction shorter, but quite
> servicable. Replacing the spear with a katana works even better since the hilt
> covers the rest of the hole in the 1x round, but it makes a better naginata
> than pike.
>
> Anthony's trick above produces a nice pike tip, but a real-top heavy look. The
> lance is quite long, so the length is okay.
>
> Lopping the blade and reverse spike off a gray halberd produces a slightly
> longer spear that could be servicable as long as you don't mix them with
> halberds in the same unit (which of course, is what they often did).
>
> The two-handed over-hand body-sideways thrust pose looks great except it kinda
> prevent a second rank standing close.
>
> I'll have to see about the plastic tube/rod from the hobby store when I get a
> chance.
>
> Bruce
Appologies for coming into this discussion a little late, but I've found a
good way to create pikes involves taking a lance, adding a technic peg to
the end without guard, and adding a spear to the end of that...makes a
decent length weapon.
Benjamin Whytcross
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In lugnet.castle, Benjamin Whytcross writes:
> Appologies for coming into this discussion a little late, but I've found a
> good way to create pikes involves taking a lance, adding a technic peg to
> the end without guard, and adding a spear to the end of that...makes a
> decent length weapon.
>
> Benjamin Whytcross
The technic connector has seen more use of late for this find of stuff
(pikes and naginata). Not as heavy looking as the one-by-one round, nor as
gaudy as the chrome lightsabre handle. I think the lightsabre
blade/peg/spear works better than the lance/peg/spear. Not as long (and
pikes could edge out over 20 feet) but visually better since the former
doesn't have the clutter of the handguard and pistol grip.
Bruce
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In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Benjamin Whytcross writes:
>
> > Appologies for coming into this discussion a little late, but I've found a
> > good way to create pikes involves taking a lance, adding a technic peg to
> > the end without guard, and adding a spear to the end of that...makes a
> > decent length weapon.
> >
> > Benjamin Whytcross
>
> The technic connector has seen more use of late for this find of stuff
> (pikes and naginata). Not as heavy looking as the one-by-one round, nor as
> gaudy as the chrome lightsabre handle. I think the lightsabre
> blade/peg/spear works better than the lance/peg/spear. Not as long (and
> pikes could edge out over 20 feet) but visually better since the former
> doesn't have the clutter of the handguard and pistol grip.
>
> Bruce
I'd certainly have to agree with the appearance difference...however, if
you're doing a scene with pikemen inside a shielded area with other soldiers
around them, then no-one will be able to notice the handguard...and it does
make it easier for the soldiers to carry them.
[Also, with the 'pistol grip' in one hand, and the lance in the other, it is
possible to show the soldier actually using the pike across their body,
which I thought looked better than the alternative.]
Benjamin Whytcross
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> This is a lot like what we did when we needed to make Japanese spears for a
> game a few months ago, we reversed the lances and attached sabers to the butt
> ends (rather than spears). You can find pictures of them at
> http://www.teleport.com/~rayhawks/games/n-setup.htm
> - Mike Rayhawk.
I just read your game story, and it's great! I'm sorry the archer had to have
happen to him what did happen to him (so as not ruin it for anyone), and that
poor grey ninja made me feel sad. But the Timmy Lords were excellent.
(Off topic, I once played an Axis & Allies game where the Russian transport
was the single most powerful fighting vehicle on the planet for 9 or 10 turns)
Thanks for sharing-
-Chuck
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In lugnet.castle, Mike Rayhawk writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Eric Joslin writes:
> > Why not use a lance for the grip part, and attach a spear to the other
> > end? If the minifig holds the lance "backwards", the handle would give
> > ample opportunities for connecting bit to hold the spear.
>
> This is a lot like what we did when we needed to make Japanese spears for a
> game a few months ago, we reversed the lances and attached sabers to the butt
> ends (rather than spears). You can find pictures of them at
> http://www.teleport.com/~rayhawks/games/n-setup.htm
To be completely fair, this is exactly what I was thinking of when I made that
suggestion.
And no, faced with someone weilding a claymore, I'm not going to call him
unsophisticated, or make fun of haggis, or suggest that he might be overly
thrifty. I would probably just back away slowly.
eric
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In lugnet.castle, Eric Joslin writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Mike Rayhawk writes:
> > In lugnet.castle, Eric Joslin writes:
> > > Why not use a lance for the grip part, and attach a spear to the other
> > > end? If the minifig holds the lance "backwards", the handle would give
> > > ample opportunities for connecting bit to hold the spear.
> >
> > This is a lot like what we did when we needed to make Japanese spears for a
> > game a few months ago, we reversed the lances and attached sabers to the butt
> > ends (rather than spears). You can find pictures of them at
> > http://www.teleport.com/~rayhawks/games/n-setup.htm
Great pics! I like your Ninja theme game variation...heck I really lke the
Bamboo glade idea too!
> To be completely fair, this is exactly what I was thinking of when I made that
> suggestion.
>
> And no, faced with someone weilding a claymore, I'm not going to call him
> unsophisticated, or make fun of haggis, or suggest that he might be overly
> thrifty. I would probably just back away slowly.
>
> eric
I will have to read the other messages in this thread shortly...
I believe the large Asain style spear/axe polearms are shurikens...I could
be wrong though...
I made a simpler and shorter version after I got my first A-wing. I used
the silver light saber handle w/ the black rod in one end and a Ninja theme
Black Katana sword in the other. I have since experimented with <shudder>
cutting down the katana blade to make a unique looking blade.
Your use of the Pirate/Western theme sabers w/ the lance is truly
inspired...I never thought to combine those elements into a more formidable
weapon ...I wish I had thought to do that.
Thank you for sharing that design!
John
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In lugnet.castle, John Robert-Blaze Kanehl writes:
> I believe the large Asain style spear/axe polearms are shurikens...I could
> be wrong though...
No, those asian polearms are Naginata. Shuriken are those little pointy metal
stars everyone loved in the mid-80's. They can be seen painted on the torsos
of most Lego ninja, tucked in their belts.
As an aside, Naginata are often disparaginly referred to as a "woman's weapon",
because apparently they were often used by unskilled warriors, like wives, who
were left behind to defend the homes and land. At least, that's what I've
heard.
eric
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In lugnet.castle, Eric Joslin writes:
> In lugnet.castle, John Robert-Blaze Kanehl writes:
>
> No, those asian polearms are Naginata.
>
> As an aside, Naginata are often disparaginly referred to as a "woman's • weapon",
> because apparently they were often used by unskilled warriors, like wives, who
> were left behind to defend the homes and land. At least, that's what I've
> heard.
Prior to the Edo period, the Naginata was a weapon used on the battlefields by
samurai. The Edo period was relatively peaceful, and women of samurai families
were trained with the Naginata. This is where the tradition of women using
the Naginata came from.
I personally wouldn't be disparaging when referring to the Naginata. With the
length of a bo (staff) and a wide, cutting blade like a sword... it is not a
weapon to be taken lightly. It is very effective at cutting down charging
cavalry and it could probably help you deal with that proverbial "guy with the
claymore" everyone keeps discussing.
Tony
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In lugnet.castle, Tony A. Rowe writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Eric Joslin writes:
> > As an aside, Naginata are often disparaginly referred to as a "woman's
> weapon",
>
> Prior to the Edo period, the Naginata was a weapon used on the battlefields by
> samurai. The Edo period was relatively peaceful, and women of samurai • families
> were trained with the Naginata. This is where the tradition of women using
> the Naginata came from.
I've done some research and found some more information. I quote the
following:
Women, usually of high-rank, were allowed an education and training in martial
arts. It was not considered unusual for clan princesses to be taught sword
fighting alongside their brothers.
One Japanese legend concerns Princess Tsuru, the daughter of the Ii clan lord
during the Edo period, which roughly coincided with the Renaissance in Europe.
Princess Tsuru was a skilled martial artist, specializing in a weapon called
the naginata, a long spear-like weapon that ended in an blade similar to an
axe. Tsuru publically called for the training of women in martial arts, and was
said to have taught these skills. The legend says that eventually Tsuru married
the Shogun of Japan, Tokugawa Yoshimune, but only after initially refusing to
do so because she didn’t want to be a token in a political alliance between her
family and the Shogun.
I got this from a great page on Echo Station dealing with Japanese influences
on George Lucas in the making of the Star Wars films. If you want to check it
out, go to:
http://www.yavin.net/features/japanese.htm
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In lugnet.castle, Tony A. Rowe writes:
> I personally wouldn't be disparaging when referring to the Naginata. With the
> length of a bo (staff) and a wide, cutting blade like a sword... it is not a
> weapon to be taken lightly.
To be clear, I didn't say *I* referred to the Naginata disparagingly as a
"woman's weapon". I am quite aware of the damage one of these things can do in
the wrong hands. For more information, play Kyoshiro in Samurai Showdown III
on the Sony Playstation. I know I did. A lot.
Besides, to be honest, I would never scoff at the rage of a woman, or her
ability to viciously and systematically destroy anything she set her mind to.
eric
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In lugnet.castle, Eric Joslin writes:
> In lugnet.castle, John Robert-Blaze Kanehl writes:
>
> > I believe the large Asain style spear/axe polearms are • shurikens...I could
> > be wrong though...
>
> No, those asian polearms are Naginata. Shuriken are • those little pointy metal
> stars everyone loved in the mid-80's. They can be seen • painted on the torsos
> of most Lego ninja, tucked in their belts.
That's right...throwing stars...I was pretty good with
those...I couold
almost play cricket or 301 with them)
I stand corrected = )
(I just couldn't think of the name...there is also a
Chinese variant that I
don't remember now either...amazing those things you
forget when you are
almost 31...lol)
> As an aside, Naginata are often disparaginly referred • to as a "woman's weapon",
> because apparently they were often used by unskilled • warriors, like wives, who
> were left behind to defend the homes and land. At • least, that's what I've
> heard.
>
> eric
Funny...my teacher in college made a similar remark...He
uttered a Japanese
word that was roughly translated "peasant weapon".
Similar idea, he
described these weapons as being distributed to old men
or injured as a
means of defense. Essentially, these weapons gave the
weilders a small
chance of dismounting a horse riding assailant while
maintaining a distance
farther than a sword stroke (like any polearm)
John
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In lugnet.castle, John Robert-Blaze Kanehl writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Eric Joslin writes:
> > In lugnet.castle, John Robert-Blaze Kanehl writes:
> > As an aside, Naginata are often disparaginly referred to as a
> > "woman's weapon", because apparently they were often used by
> > unskilled warriors, like wives, who were left behind to defend
> > the homes and land. At least, that's what I've heard.
>
> Funny...my teacher in college made a similar remark...He
> uttered a Japanese word that was roughly translated
> "peasant weapon". Similar idea, he described these weapons
> as being distributed to old men or injured as a means of
> defense. Essentially, these weapons gave the weilders a
> small chance of dismounting a horse riding assailant while
> maintaining a distance farther than a sword stroke (like
> any polearm)
As far I understood from my studies, the military history of medieval Japan is
basically divided into two sections, divided by the development of the
shogunate. The shoguns began to encourage sword-worship and a harsh division
between the samurai class and the rest of society, as a means of maintaining
the status quo.
In the period prior to this, there were plenty of women samurai, and samurai
training included the six standard martial arts: naginata, swordsmanship,
archery, unarmed striking, unarmed grappling, and horsemanship. It's common
in hero-literature of this period for a samurai to begin a battle by killing
some large number of enemies by archery until the arrows run out, then to kill
some large number of enemies with a naginata until the shaft breaks, and then
to draw his (or her) swords and kill a bunch more guys before the story can
proceed.
After the shoguns' stratification of society, women were strictly second-class
citizens, only samurai were allowed to carry swords and longbows, and naginata
were no longer considered noble weapons. The naginata were given to peasant
foot soldiers, and they continued to be a characteristic weapon of the warrior-
monks. Eventually the value of foot-soldiers got a big boost when the
arquebus was deemed unworthy of samurai; Nobunaga used them to great advantage
and became the first warlord to unify Japan. The End.
- Mike Rayhawk.
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In lugnet.castle, Mike Rayhawk writes:
> Eventually the value of foot-soldiers got a big boost when the
> arquebus was deemed unworthy of samurai; Nobunaga used them to great advantage
> and became the first warlord to unify Japan.
I seem to recall hearing of one diminutive warlord who greatly favored the
use of a short-barrelled arquebus for controlling unruly crowds and was
thereafter referred to as the Sawed-Off Shogun.
Dave!
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In lugnet.castle, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Mike Rayhawk writes:
>
> > Eventually the value of foot-soldiers got a big boost when the
> > arquebus was deemed unworthy of samurai; Nobunaga used them to great • advantage
> > and became the first warlord to unify Japan.
>
> I seem to recall hearing of one diminutive warlord who greatly favored the
> use of a short-barrelled arquebus for controlling unruly crowds and was
> thereafter referred to as the Sawed-Off Shogun.
>
> Dave!
OOoooooOOoooo, hurl, puke, vomit.
Just for that, I'll ruin the joke: it was called a blunderbus (if you want the
shot-gun effect. A musketoon if you mean a short-barreled solid ball shooter.
Nyahh. :-)
Bruce
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In lugnet.off-topic.pun, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > I seem to recall hearing of one diminutive warlord who greatly favored the
> > use of a short-barrelled arquebus for controlling unruly crowds and was
> > thereafter referred to as the Sawed-Off Shogun.
> OOoooooOOoooo, hurl, puke, vomit.
> Just for that, I'll ruin the joke: it was called a blunderbus (if you want the
> shot-gun effect. A musketoon if you mean a short-barreled solid ball shooter.
> Nyahh. :-)
I thought a musketoon was one of those coconut-flavored cookies.
Dave!
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>
> I thought a musketoon was one of those coconut-flavored cookies.
>
> Dave!
Naw, a musketoon is a kid that wears mouse ears and sings and dances on tv.
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In lugnet.off-topic.pun, Mark LaRue writes:
> >
> > I thought a musketoon was one of those coconut-flavored cookies.
> Naw, a musketoon is a kid that wears mouse ears and sings and dances on tv.
And in later years gets implants.
Dave!
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"Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message
news:G069wt.GDI@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.off-topic.pun, Mark LaRue writes:
> > >
> > > I thought a musketoon was one of those coconut-flavored cookies.
>
> > Naw, a musketoon is a kid that wears mouse ears and sings and dances on • tv.
>
> And in later years gets implants.
I thought we were talking about Pikes not Spears.
-Jon
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In lugnet.off-topic.pun, Jon Palmer wrote:
>
>
> "Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:G069wt.GDI@lugnet.com...
> > In lugnet.off-topic.pun, Mark LaRue writes:
> > > >
> > > > I thought a musketoon was one of those coconut-flavored cookies.
> >
> > > Naw, a musketoon is a kid that wears mouse ears and sings and dances on tv.
> >
> > And in later years gets implants.
>
>
> I thought we were talking about Pikes not Spears.
Let's give it up for Jon Palmer. That was one heck of a pun!
Dave!
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In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > I need some pikes for my medieval/renaissance armies and I was wondering what
> > solutions others have used, the standard spear being too short for a pike. I
> > thought of shaving off the axe blade from the gray halberd, which leaves a
> > longer spear, but it has that clunky squared off section, and a pike should
> > be longer than a halberd in any case. I can get a long enough effect with a
> > spear mated to a lightsabre, though at the cost of a rather unsatisfying
> > color combination. Any suggestions?
If it doesn't offend anyone's Lego purism, I would suggest 1/8" styrene rod
stock, available at many hobby stores in 12" inch and/or 36" lengths. I've
seen them in white, black, dark grey, as well as a few translucent hues, and
they fit minfig hands and can easily be cut to scale length and honed with a
pencil sharpener.
Just a thought,
Dave!
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In lugnet.castle, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > > I need some pikes for my medieval/renaissance armies and I was wondering • what
> > > solutions others have used, the standard spear being too short for a pike. • I
> > > thought of shaving off the axe blade from the gray halberd, which leaves a
> > > longer spear, but it has that clunky squared off section, and a pike should
> > > be longer than a halberd in any case. I can get a long enough effect with a
> > > spear mated to a lightsabre, though at the cost of a rather unsatisfying
> > > color combination. Any suggestions?
>
> If it doesn't offend anyone's Lego purism, I would suggest 1/8" styrene rod
> stock, available at many hobby stores in 12" inch and/or 36" lengths. I've
> seen them in white, black, dark grey, as well as a few translucent hues, and
> they fit minfig hands and can easily be cut to scale length and honed with a
> pencil sharpener.
While that would certainly offend people's sense of purity, it is a good idea,
of course there is a "pure" solution, take some of that thin flex-tube and cut
it to appropriate lengths. I think it can be found in grey or black. One would
want to figure out some way to get a spearhead on the end
Frank
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In lugnet.castle, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > > I need some pikes for my medieval/renaissance armies and I was wondering • what
> > > solutions others have used, the standard spear being too short for a pike. • I
> > > thought of shaving off the axe blade from the gray halberd, which leaves a
> > > longer spear, but it has that clunky squared off section, and a pike should
> > > be longer than a halberd in any case. I can get a long enough effect with a
> > > spear mated to a lightsabre, though at the cost of a rather unsatisfying
> > > color combination. Any suggestions?
>
> If it doesn't offend anyone's Lego purism, I would suggest 1/8" styrene rod
> stock, available at many hobby stores in 12" inch and/or 36" lengths. I've
> seen them in white, black, dark grey, as well as a few translucent hues, and
> they fit minfig hands and can easily be cut to scale length and honed with a
> pencil sharpener.
>
> Just a thought,
> Dave!
An interesting solution except I'm not going to put 'em in the pencil sharpener
- I mean, then they'd be sharp (ouch, look, blood!). I suppose the key is
for them to properly fit minifig hands and be able to put standard Lego
pennants on them.
I'll drag along a few figs, spear, harpoons (to see if they can fit into the
hollow tube versions Frank mentions) and pennants to the local Hobby Shack, or
whatever name they changed to recently. Model train stores have that kind of
stuff, if I remember.
Bruce
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In lugnet.castle, James Brown writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > I need some pikes for my medieval/renaissance armies and I was wondering what
> > solutions others have used, the standard spear being too short for a pike. I
> > thought of shaving off the axe blade from the gray halberd, which leaves a
> > longer spear, but it has that clunky squared off section, and a pike should • be
> > longer than a halberd in any case. I can get a long enough effect with a • spear
> > mated to a lightsabre, though at the cost of a rather unsatisfying color
> > combination. Any suggestions?
Another possibility which just occured to me is to use those 'whip' antennae.
Doesn't the Desert Skiff come with a couple in brown? One of them would look
a bit goofy, but a forest of them would be cool.
James
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How about using the straws that come in the pod racer set or the gungan patrol,
cut to length, take the pneumatic tubing, cut to a 5-10mm length, and a spear.
The tubing should be able to join the spear and straw. Cutting the tubing
should be perfectly legal (after all, Lego tells you to cut to length), and as
for the straw, I believe it should be legal also.
In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> I need some pikes for my medieval/renaissance armies and I was wondering what
> solutions others have used, the standard spear being too short for a pike. I
> thought of shaving off the axe blade from the gray halberd, which leaves a
> longer spear, but it has that clunky squared off section, and a pike should be
> longer than a halberd in any case. I can get a long enough effect with a • spear
> mated to a lightsabre, though at the cost of a rather unsatisfying color
> combination. Any suggestions?
>
> Bruce
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In lugnet.castle, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> I need some pikes for my medieval/renaissance armies and I was wondering what
> solutions others have used, the standard spear being too short for a pike.
> Any suggestions?
For pikes? Well, this idea came to me, and it works fine, even though it does
look a slight bit blocky in the joining section. First you take a part #3848
castle pike and then take a part #3673 Technic Pin black, and then you take a
part #3957 Antenna black. Fit them all togeather, and tada! Your pike! :)
--
Mark Nelson
Speedy's Lego Page: http://www.pressenter.com/~3nelsons/lego/
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