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| | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Tore Eriksson
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| | | | | (...) Yes, maybe it is a generation issue. I followed the link (URL) and I didn't like what I saw. I mean, most of the replies were in deed positive and encouraging, but the layout of the site... No tree structure but just a linear thread. Scroll, (...) (14 years ago, 15-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | --snip-- (...) That structure attracted 6.2 thousand comments last year out of 8.4 million page views. You may not like it (I prefer threading too) but it's here to stay. And between TBB and flickr (same structure) there are already over 40 comments (...) (14 years ago, 15-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Scott Wardlaw
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| | | | | | | | (...) I think TBB and flickR have an easier entry. LUGNET is a bit scary to sign up to, and is certainly a pain in the but to remember your username (member #) and password (is this even changeable). Actually, I remember it being a lot scary to (...) (14 years ago, 15-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Remi Gagne
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| | | | | | | | (...) I very strongly second this. I've been lurking here for years now, but almost never post, and never get involved, because of how awkward, old & user-unfriendly LUGNET is. I think LUGNET is a huge deterrent to any potential LDraw newcomers & (...) (14 years ago, 16-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Tore Eriksson
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| | | | | | | | (...) I do realize the fact that LUGNET is a huge deterrent, but I just can't get into my head why. Yes, I recall it was a pain to join LUGNET when I moved from the mailing list that preceeded LUGNET. But I only had to do it "once in my lifetime", (...) (14 years ago, 16-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Remi Gagne
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Heh, don't apologize - it's great to hear from LUGNET users why they like this place! My view is about 100% opposite from yours ;) Yes, you need a flickr account, but you need to join here too, which we agree is painful. When you joined (...) (14 years ago, 16-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Tore Eriksson
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yeah, you're probably right. :) I don't even notice that I enter "to" here in the Name and E-mail fields (the rest of my name and e-mail is auto-filled by IE) and check that "I have carefully read... blah, blah" checkbox; that has become a (...) (14 years ago, 16-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Orion Pobursky
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) The bottom line is that LUGNET needs to change how it handles users. At a minimum the authentication emails have got to go. I'm a member and I use the web interface so I can just log in and skip most of the annoying things (e.g. entering (...) (14 years ago, 16-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Remi Gagne
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Timely info! I'm in the middle of filling out LUGNET's (absurdly long) Member sign-up page, hoping to streamline posting... but that's useless & dead? I was going to suggest LUGNET make memberships free, push the donation requests more, change (...) (14 years ago, 16-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Tore Eriksson
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I am very tempted to change the subject line of this branch of the discussion tree into "The future of LUGNET?". I know, it was mostly my "fault" the this thread changed subjects. But to me, it's the strength of the tree structure. Then anyone (...) (14 years ago, 16-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Lego City Police Car - 7236 —Reuben Pearse
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Hi again! I've done some more Lego modelling! This time I'm playing with the Lego City Police Car. I've created some renders using POV-Ray and I've put the LDR/MLCAD files and various other 3D formats of the model on my website. See the following (...) (14 years ago, 16-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego City Police Car - 7236 —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) There is no single list, but there are some links here: (URL) Eric Albrecht's Technicopedia has Ldraw files for many Technic sets: (URL) (14 years ago, 17-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lego City Police Car - 7236 —Michael Heidemann
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Maybe you are just looking for mpd files for official files? Then please try (URL) There are more than 900 mpd files for download from official sets. I did not remember how good they are (maybe missing parts at the time I build). cu mikeheide (14 years ago, 18-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Santeri Piippo
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I'd see LDraw getting a forum system with most aspects of the bulletin board system like user accounts instead of emails *but* having a threaded layout like here on LUGNET. I myself do not know anybody who uses LDraw or even LEGO for that (...) (14 years ago, 16-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Joseph Gonzalez
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) gotta confess to some lurking, here. i'm a frequent user of ldraw and visitor to lugnet. i'm very interested to see where this discussion goes and VERY curious to know what sites are taking the place of lugnet (i 'get' the sites that have all (...) (14 years ago, 25-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Scott Wardlaw
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) To my knowledge, this is really the only place to discuss LDraw in a manner other than 'check out my MOC in LDraw'. All, or nearly all of the developers (and hopefully future developers) are here. LUGNET also contains the searchable history of (...) (14 years ago, 26-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | | | | | --snip-- (...) The Flickr group gets a bit active when I cross-post discussion threads from here to it. There are people that don't use LUGNET but do use Flickr that do like to talk about LDraw. However LUGNET is definitely the central place for it. (...) (14 years ago, 26-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I'm reading LUGNET through a newsreader - Outlook Express - which is the same as my email program. I donwload all new posts in a batch (much, much, MUCH, faster than loading web pages) and then I can read the posts at my leisure, I don't even (...) (14 years ago, 16-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Jeffrey Findley
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) <much goodness of newsreaders deleted to save space> While true, most newer Internet users don't have a clue what a Newsreader is. That's because Newsreaders are mostly used by Usenet users and Usenet (at least the groups I read) is dying. In (...) (14 years ago, 18-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) You must have done something to make it that hard for you to use Lugnet. I just click "Reply", write my response, click "Preview" and "Post". Everything else is already filled out. Play well, Jacob (14 years ago, 19-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Hmmm, did you click "Reply" so quickly that you missed the very next sentence in the previous post where it said, "I think you've just been here too long"? Like many of us, you've been here forever. So perhaps you don't realize that it's (...) (14 years ago, 19-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | | | --snip-- (...) I must admit that I hadn't realised it was so hard to post now. That, IMO, means we need somewhere new to discuss LDraw. If new people can't easily post in discussions then we are killing fresh discussion and that is a very bad move. (...) (14 years ago, 19-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Or perhaps LUGNET just needs some changes... identify the problem areas and fix them. (14 years ago, 20-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Holy moley! Do you still exist?!? (14 years ago, 20-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Rumors of my disassembly have been greatly exaggerated. (14 years ago, 20-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Manfred Moolhuysen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Hello Lary. I still visit (URL) and (URL) from time to time. If you talk about "gradually fade away"... :-) Though I would still love to get my hands on a few of your "comming soon" set ideas if it happens to happen someday. Fortunately, I (...) (14 years ago, 27-Mar-10, to lugnet.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (Re)activating Lugnet? (Was: The future of LDraw?) —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I must admit that I didn't know that it isn't possible to get a membership on Lugnet anymore. That's not good. (...) Luckily I keep plenty of backups - also of mission-critical cookies. (...) Yes. What will it take to allow people to get (...) (14 years ago, 20-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Welcome back. My issue with that is that it's out of the hands of LDraw. It's hard to expect the people responsible for LUGNET to make big changes when it's pretty much just one small section that is active. Tim (14 years ago, 20-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Nod. But if the people responsible for LUGNET don't want it to gradually fade away and become even less relevant, changes are needed. Without them, other sections won't return either. I note that there's a facebook discussion group started on (...) (14 years ago, 21-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Patrick Charette
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Lugnet would need to be simpler... It can't compete with modern social networks and user friendly picture-hosting websites. Basically, that would imply A LOT of work while keeping everything free... (14 years ago, 24-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | Wow. It's been a while since a thread here broke the 100 dot limit I think... ROSCO (14 years ago, 25-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Philippe Hurbain
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | (...) Group discussion comments are very searchable ((URL) Image comments aren't which I agree can be frustrating. And flickr is very good at telling you where there is activity. Which isn't to say it's a good place to discuss LDraw. It is not. The (...) (14 years ago, 17-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Jeffrey Findley
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| | | | | | (...) That's the sort of discussion forum layout that I've seen dominate every site I use today, except for Lugnet. Lugnet surely went the hierarchical direction because the best Newsgroup readers supported hierarchical views. Like it or not, that's (...) (14 years ago, 16-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | (...) Err, how am I supposed to remember which "dozens of threads" I visited yesterday? Most "forum" software seems pretty aggressive about not showing visited/unvisited links. I don't spend a lot of time in forums, but the only useful one I've (...) (14 years ago, 17-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | (...) Not sure which forums you visit but they must be unusually obtuse. Just about everywhere I visit tells you which threads have new posts since you last visited and an unread topics page. --snip-- (...) Tim (14 years ago, 17-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | | | (...) Really? I kinda like to browse Eurobricks. Lots going on there, with plenty of great pictures. Once I tried to help someone with lsynth and then (I'm embarassed to say) I couldn't find my way back to that topic the next day. Even logged in I (...) (14 years ago, 17-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Tore Eriksson
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Sorry, but I'm a little slow. Was it at LUGNET or Eurobricks you couldn't find your way back to that topic? /Tore (14 years ago, 17-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I have trouble navigating Eurobricks because it requires so much scrolling and clicking on <next> links to find things. I mean, how do you find your way to a particular post when there are 318 *pages* and you have to scroll through them all to (...) (14 years ago, 17-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Orion Pobursky
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I toyed with this a few years back: (URL) (14 years ago, 17-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Remi Gagne
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) This sounds promising. Doesn't seem very actively developed anymore, but then it's used here: (URL) you're interested, I've got some webspace where I can set up a test phorum, give you full access to try out & play with. I'm also proficient in (...) (14 years ago, 18-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Orion Pobursky
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Thanks for the offer Remi. I have my own personal webspace that I also use to test out LDraw.org ideas and a server running locally on my laptop so I can develop without an internet connection. -Orion (14 years ago, 18-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | | | | | (...) Maybe you're missing the 'login' part? When you're logged in you get a link "View new posts" on top right under the banner. You can also (when logged in) select the "Options" menu in the upper right (although a bit lower than the other link) (...) (14 years ago, 17-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | (...) Also threads with recent discssion are marked visually as being such and there's an Active Topics list available next to View New Posts. I'm going to be a little stirring here and suggest that possibly many of the same people demanding that (...) (14 years ago, 17-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Jeffrey Findley
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| | | | | | (...) The ones I typically visit (ClassicSpace.com, CrownVic.net, and etc.) all visually show threads with new responses in another color. Some even show you how many new replies there have been since I last visited. It's easy to see what to click (...) (14 years ago, 22-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Sergio Reano
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| | | | (...) Yes, I agree! New generations looks at what I call 'vapor-ware'! The look is the most important think they watch. When I recreate my website, changing the look but not the contents, I got a 10-20% increased access. On the other side, the (...) (14 years ago, 23-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Philippe Hurbain
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| | | | | (...) Have you ever tried it ??????? Philo (14 years ago, 23-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | (...) No, this is definitely not true. LeoCAD is AFAIK at least as powerful as MLCad. BlockCAD is the most limited of the pack, but also the easiest to use. When I google for "lego cad" I get: LDraw LeoCAD techbricks' link page containing links to (...) (14 years ago, 23-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Remi Gagne
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| | | | (...) I had no idea LeoCAD was that feature-rich. Looking closer, I see LeoCAD is hosted on google code, which implies it's an open source project. But I can't find any code anywhere... is LeoCAD open-source? Remi (14 years ago, 23-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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| | | | | | Re: The future of LDraw? —Ross Crawford
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| | | | (...) Linked from leocad.org: (URL) (14 years ago, 24-Mar-10, to lugnet.cad)
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