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Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Technic as a theme is dead and it didnt just die all of a sudden due to Lego's 2002 vertical marketing scheme but has been on a downhill slide for several years. Alot of the discussion about his topic confuses (...) (22 years ago, 3-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic) !!
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(...) Jim, I appreciate your post, and all that you discussed. However, what are your comments on what Brad Justus said at Brickfest: "the Technic theme is not dead". (URL) sad to see things turn out as they have. If Lego are really doing away with (...) (22 years ago, 3-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) BRAD JUSTUS, WE ARE ALL LOSING FAITH AAA...AAARRR...RRRGG...HHH...HHH! (22 years ago, 3-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) TJ: I suspect that Brad Justus/Lego defines Technic differently than you or I do. I think that my definition is clear. It comes from playing/collecting/ building with these sets and elements for about 15 years. Lego defines the Theme as Star (...) (22 years ago, 3-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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"Jim Hughes" <hughesj@one.net> wrote in message news:H0AEEo.Jp1@lugnet.com... (...) playing/collecting/ (...) away. (...) actually (...) that (...) more (...) It's the video game market that bugs me too! This is an era unlike the '80's of Atari (...) (22 years ago, 3-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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In my mind it is easy to see where lego went wrong on terms of technic. A change in the technic line may have been needed to evolve a little after 1997 but they went the wrong direction. Instead of modles becoming more complex, larger, better (...) (22 years ago, 4-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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I'm not speaking from any real authority here but I seem to remember reading in a F1/Indy car racing mag that Williams had paired up with Lego to produce a more "real" F1 technic car. Meaning, more accurate and thus more complicated technic car. (...) (22 years ago, 4-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) While it might have been fun for US (as AFOL's), for the target market (8-16 y/o) it would have made things worse. Kids can't spend $200-300 per set. Also most shops can't / won't stock such expensive sets. Perhaps in the USA it would have (...) (22 years ago, 4-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) I have to agree it is largely up to the definition of what Technic is today. I have been building technic sets since the late 70's. I started building them originally for 2 reasons. Firstly I considered myself at that time as too old to play (...) (22 years ago, 4-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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I can agree with your feelings of the Technic theme being slowly diluted with Bionicle, Throwbots and the like and the theme 'Technic' itself may indeed be dead but I am in a huge disagreement with idea that the newer Technic parts are in some way (...) (22 years ago, 4-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) Larger beams don't have axles, which then renders them inferioir to technic bricks. I'm okay with using a few liftarms and small beams when I have to. But I just find that Technic bricks are ALOT better then beams for a structual, 'chassis' (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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"John Henry Kruer" <jhkruer@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:H0DHx7.Gy@lugnet.com... (...) Flex axles can be used to carry compressed air in pneumatic systems, and as cunning attachment points - see the "hook holder" on the crane cab: (URL) a great (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) And both the brick and beam have their place in the LEGO parts catalog. But what about those of us not building robots or complicated gear boxes? What about builders who want the old style Technic bricks to use as bracing or frameworks for (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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| | Building Philosophy: Bricks vs. Beams (was Re: Technic's Dead)
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For clarification: "beam" = studless beam (e.g. (...) I think each has its own place, which is governed by necessity. We cannot compare equivalent constructions to judge the better piece. For example, if you think of replacing a brick with a beam in (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) Technically, not quite: a beam is 7.8mm in pinhole direction (same as a brick), 7.4mm between smooth faces Philo (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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| | Technic's only in a coma (WAS Re: Technic's Dead )
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(...) I don't think Brad Justus and/or LEGO Direct alone can resurrect Technic as we have known it. But I must agree that some of us are losing faith. LEGO (meaning the parent company) needs to take a look at the success of their own Mindstorms (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Yes, I'd bet Technic bricks are more expensive to produce, because they require more pieces in the mold. To make a standard brick, you'd only need a two-piece mold - one piece for the bottom, to make the inside hollow, and another piece for (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) Whatever. For building purposes its ratio is approximately 1:1. Leave the micrometer out of it ;-) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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| | Re: Building Philosophy: Bricks vs. Beams (was Re: Technic's Dead)
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(...) I totally agree! I think I overdid it. I totally agree that beams and bricks have their uses, I just don't like how Lego is making the beam 'superioir' these days. The thing that ticks me off, though, is flex axles and 'styling panels.' I just (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) Very possibly so. Then I reiterate my previous statement. Manufacture them, put them out in bulk packs and price them accordingly. I've paid up to $1.00 U.S. per 1x16 black Technic brick at auction. Is it not possible for the company to sell (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) Steve, My Dad was one of the mold design and production managers at Husky Injection Molding way back when. I can tell you that LEGO bricks in general have a degree of mold complexity that is very high. There are a number of technical hurdles, (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic) !
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| | Re: Building Philosophy: Bricks vs. Beams (was Re: Technic's Dead)
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(...) I completely agree that bricks have there own place and can be very useful, but I do believe the style of rounded beams and liftarms are a better means for technical modeling then the Technic brick. I still use bricks in all of my models, but (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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Ralph Hempel wrote: >[...] (...) On the contrary, Ralph, that's fascinating! Thanks. -Suz (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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| | Re: Building Philosophy: Bricks vs. Beams (was Re: Technic's Dead)
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(...) Yes, that's true. It's disappointing to get a set with little or no Technic bricks in it. I think one frustrating thing about the new pieces (and I'm thinking of studless beams as well as liftarms, or 1/2 width "beams") is that because there's (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) Oh, sure. I agree with that. It's having enough beams that's the problem! (...) Well, it just depends on what you need for a given situation. Studs can really help, if you need them. If not, they're just an added complication. But you're (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) I've always gotten a kick out of how you described that container to me once: "The Bucket of Shame." j. FUT .fun (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) The styling panels may not have structural purposes, but to me they make a Technic set somewhat more attractive. The reality is that very little in the real world is just grids of structural members, there are decorative (or functional) (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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Technic is dead. Mindstorms is alive. However, the first set of the Mindstorms product line -- the original RIS -- is also the best set in the line. Now this worries me a lot. You may still find some of the original spirit of Technic in today's (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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OK, this is the point. When technic sets went crappy (but still good), sales went down, not the other way round. When technic sets become as good as they was, sales will rise. So what exactly do I mean by good? Function over form. Complexity over (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) As blunt and unsubstantiated as this statement is, I must agree with it. There is something intangible about what makes Technic (and LEGO bricks as a whole) so good. (...) I wonder sometimes if it isn't the educators, researchers and (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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"Ralph Hempel" <rhempel@bmts.com> wrote in message news:CAEBIOGHPFFJALB...mts.com... (...) Injection (...) the (...) Huh?? I'm not sure about that. For as long as I can remember, the 1x1 round plates which have come in a great variety of colors, (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) Yes, exactly. Hey do you think we've broken new ground in child pcychology 8^) Maybe not but the fact that kids cound demand more complex sets might be somthing lego has not looked into. And more complicated sets do not mean higher prices, (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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| | Re: Technic is Alive !!!! ( I got tired of that other headline)
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Ok, I'm so pumped up right now about Technic more than ever! And I got tired of that Technic's "dead" headline. Without reading the entire thread, my spartan reply is this! I love Technic! e (Besides, I'm building with Technic right now and I'm (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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| | Re: Technic is Alive !!!! ( My thoughts)
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Ok, I guess we have to live with those treads every once an a while, since TLC wouldn't release anything like the 'good old days'. And since many of us here on lugnet have got multiple sets of the 'real' technic, and also spends alot of money to get (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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Intersting points, I checked out your Web-site and I was impressed! Most of all I liked the: Atlas Copco Roc F7 CR Very very nice~!!! Build on! Legomaster (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) Some folks perhaps... but 'many'? When I got back into LEGO as an adult I went on a buying frenzy. I bought not only assorted tubs and buckets, but also Technic sets and also parts packs from LEGO Shop @ Home Canada. And then...... it was as (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) put (...) extra (...) I'm think Technic has been declining as a whole where we define Technic as the LEgo line that valued function over form. This is somewhat understandable with the car series: when 8880 came out, it was a technical wonder. (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) My solution to the color problem is to only buy beams etc in one color (I got a large quantity of black, some grey then one or 2 of other colors that I got for various specific uses) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) I have to confess that I have a similar "depository" of less than useful pieces. I have a rather large collection of parts used to teach various classes (robotics, machines and such). I have trays holding "reasonable" amounts of parts sorted (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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Anyways, No natter what how many pieces we have, we allways want more! regards jt "Jonathan Wilson" <jonwil@tpgi.com.au> wrote in message news:3D531084.804090....com.au... (...) some (...) in a (...) don't (...) that (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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(...) Hi, I've never counted my pieces (98% technic), but from your comments, it seems like I might be well above 7,000 since I do not the risk of running out of most technic elements any time soon (exceptions include the newest double no-friction (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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Interesting, but not actually relevant to technic being dead. I've got to say, that even with the new technic liftarms being cheap(er) to produce, that doesn't explain why lego are suddenly making the bionicle bodies and arms- these super (...) (22 years ago, 10-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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I forget who it was who said ebay is the answer. I do not belive it is. Those models on ebay are great and I would not hesitate to buy them on ebay if I had the money. However there is a major part missing to all these sets. They have been done (...) (22 years ago, 10-Aug-02, to lugnet.technic)
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sorry i know this is the old one topic but i couldn't stop myself to add my voice here brian you are absolutely right my lego story begins in early 80s so i used to technic bricks and plates then i had some break :) (few years) when i bought som (...) (22 years ago, 21-Oct-02, to lugnet.technic)
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