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(...) Sorry. I think I understand your confusion now. I suggested the board scan because it means you don't have to have two entry points into you program, and you don't have to explicitly tell your robot whether it's playing first or second. This (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: attention Calum Tsang & Chris Magno (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) What the **c* are you talking about. I've suggested no such thing! Whether you will play first is decided well before you load your robot with chips. That has nothing to do with it. I'm merely suggesting how the robots should be told to start (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Tonight, I got together with some LEGO friends, and found out a couple interesting things. 1) There will be FOUR robots making the ten hour trip from Indiana to play Connect-Four in rtl 15. 2) More than one robot at rtl15 will be XR7 class robots. (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: attention Calum Tsang & Chris Magno (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) Ok, please thin out my skull a bit more... The loonie says I go first and I stack my robot with red chips. So why can't I just select program #2 (the "I go first program" and then press the magic Run button? Why do I have to wait for the (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: attention Calum Tsang & Chris Magno (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) no you get it, mario is just a bit thick. mario, you listen, I'll talk: I take a canadian coin, (a loonie) (URL) it will be "tossed" someone will be declared first..... each player will be asked if they are ready. between the "call" and "yes (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: attention Calum Tsang & Chris Magno (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) Wouldn't the coin get tossed, the players selected, and then the bots get loaded with the appropriate colors? I don't get it, I think? (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: attention Calum Tsang & Chris Magno (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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Well it's time to open the can of worms. The rules state: "A coin toss by the robot designers decides which robot will start first. The person who moves first always starts with red game pieces. Each robot is required to be able to be started (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: ATTENTION CALUM TSANG & CHRIS MAGNO (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) If you use a remote you must be very careful you don't interfere with the opposing robot. If you both use the same signal to say play first, then there'll be a might crash. This is not C4 sumo. :-) (...) Actually I didn't say anything about (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: ATTENTION CALUM TSANG & CHRIS MAGNO (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) Yes, you can do this now. Since the turn pass touch sensor is exclusively yours, you can do whatever you like with this senor port. Including using another touch sensor if you so wish. Just remember if you screw up your own robot, you loose. (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: attention Calum Tsang & Chris Magno (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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Ouch! Stop yelling CALUM TSANG and CHRIS MAGNO, I have enough trouble listening to their names in a normal tone. For some reason I missed read the description of the game start the other day. My suggestion is not substantially different, but it's (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: ATTENTION CALUM TSANG & CHRIS MAGNO (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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!!! I SPEAK THUS !!! Dereks Idea is sound. and simple. BUT it does not have to BE the final way!!!!! WHEN you prg your RCX I don't care HOW you tell it if it is the first or second prg. WATCH and be AMAZED at my AWESOME POWERS!!! method 1. ---...--- (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: ATTENTION CALUM TSANG & CHRIS MAGNO (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) Derek's proposal changes what a click of your sensor means: It used to mean: Your opponent has played a chip... make your move. It is now proposed to mean: You opponent has played a chip *OR* this is a brand new game and you have been chosen (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: ATTENTION CALUM TSANG & CHRIS MAGNO (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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(...) Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that Derek's proposal doesn't seriously affect what the interface is, only how it's implemented in terms of the actual arbitrator. You still click a sensor to send the signal, and you still listen for a (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | ATTENTION CALUM TSANG & CHRIS MAGNO (was Re: Starting C4 Games)
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This is on the verge of becoming yet another annoying "late breaking rule change". I personally don't care what I have to code in order to make my bot play nicely, but I DON'T want to have to re-code it at the 11th hour when there will certainly be (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: C4 Sound a tone at begining and end of turn.
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(...) I'd also like to suggest that you also put the state of the program in the LCD display. That way if you miss the sound, you can still note the state. I'm trying to help Chris with the move calculation of his robot in brickOS. There are only a (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) No we just won't allow this. No sensor ports are to be connected together at any time. Over sort durations we know this doesn't hurt the sensor ports, but we don't know what will happen after a day of game play. Add in the differences of the (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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I'd like to suggest that every one sounds a tone at the end of their turn, and sounds a different tone to at the beginning their turn. Doesn't mater what it is, just that you recognize it. This will help us determine what is happing with turn (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) This is why you cannot listen to your end of turn sensor. There will only ever be one sensor attached to a sensor port and one port attached to one sensor. The will remove all these issues of what happens when two or more sensor ports are (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I noticed that too. How about we simply agree that everyone connects the arbitrating wire to the sensor with the wire facing away from the display. If someone's design doesn't permit this sort of connection, then it can be easily reversed with (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | Re: Starting C4 Games
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(...) For some reason, I was thinking about this today, also. :) I agree this needs to be clear, because VERY few games require this level of start-up cooperation. Your suggestion: 1) Robot 1 receives Start Game signal from Arbitrator (or external (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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