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(...) No one in any argument here has suggested that skin color has any effect on a person's human-ness. (...) **snip of several recent, anecdotal examples** These are fine, of course, and it's great to see that Lego has opened its marketing to a (...) (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message news:Fz4rAo.HHF@lugnet.com... (...) literature. (...) its (...) you (...) the (...) may (...) But what does that matter? That was done in the past, and this is today. The question is, how will (...) (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Certainly it is great that TLC has in some ways opened its eyes to a broader demographic, but it is unfortunate that certain spectres from their past still linger. Because minifigs have persisted more or less unchanged for over two decades, it (...) (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message news:Fz54Kp.E62@lugnet.com... (...) broader (...) still (...) two (...) minifigs (...) do (...) Alright, I'm beginning to understand you now. (...) be (...) what (...) Yup. The issue of 'political (...) (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You forgot to include yourself. I have connected my comments to the movie, and its implications in respect to the entire Lego line, as have you. You are attempting to dismiss others viewpoints as "political" (and I only use the term because (...) (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Bruce Schlickbernd" <corsair@schlickbernd.org> wrote in message news:Fz59Mr.LAn@lugnet.com... (...) a (...) But (...) here (...) movie, and (...) term (...) any (...) Fine. My views are political too, but I feel that politically, I'm taking the (...) (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In your opinion. Perhaps you are right that it is the safe side, but I don't particularly view that as a good thing. (...) Where else would one challenge Lego's policy but here? You started this particular thread in any case. (...) As in, if (...) (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Bruce Schlickbernd" <corsair@schlickbernd.org> wrote in message news:Fz5I5C.Ew4@lugnet.com... (...) taking (...) don't (...) Then that is something that we just need to agree to disagree on. (...) I started this thread to express my disdain about (...) (24 years ago, 11-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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First, I have to say that I agree with practically everything that Dave Schuler Writes in post 6299. But, I have to point out some comments that i found to be disturbing. Dave Schuler writes that "It's fine for a bunch of us to sit around discussing (...) (24 years ago, 14-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Damien Nesbit" <johnnobody@msn.com> wrote in message news:FzAvEv.36r@lugnet.com... (...) they (...) [...] (...) put (...) serioulsy (...) opinion (...) attempt (...) treatment (...) As you have stated, I understand that you have experience in a (...) (24 years ago, 15-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Umm, no. You and I traded a few posts about this, and I certainly don't wish the debate would "die"- not as long as there are Lugnet users who are interested in exchanging viewpoints about it. What I *do* wish is that people who don't want the (...) (24 years ago, 15-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) of (...) Well said. Bruce (24 years ago, 15-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Always good advice! Yes! (...) IMO, no debate here deserves to die so long as people are still being calm and principled and the debate is taking place in the most appropriate group (often .off-topic.debate). The .off-topic.debate are is _for_ (...) (24 years ago, 15-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) But it's an issue which comes up (naturally) from time to time -- and came up in RTL several times -- and it *IS* related to LEGO. Anything related to LEGO has a place here. On the one hand, I agree that it doesn't have a terribly big place in (...) (24 years ago, 15-Aug-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)
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I put this in lugnet.general because I don't know where it started. We ain't what we oughta be We ain't what we wanta be We ain't what we gonna be But thank God we ain't what we was. -MLK Perhaps some people will be mad at me for bringing this (...) (24 years ago, 15-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) John, I tried writing you a reply by e-mail and it bounced: ===...=== ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <ig88888888@stlnet.com> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mail.postnet.com.: (...) (24 years ago, 15-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.terms)
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"John DiRienzo" <ig88888888@stlnet.com> wrote in message news:G0xz8F.Fon@lugnet.com... (...) into (...) I (...) replies, (...) States, (...) type (...) me (...) After reading through this post of yours, even though you did bring up a touchy subject, (...) (24 years ago, 15-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) Wow, this is a stupendous day for Lugnet! Tim, John, and I are agreeing on a heated topic! How did this happen?! Dave! (24 years ago, 15-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) USA. (...) This is got to be the funniest or at least the most pathetic statement I have read yet in this never ending debate. The USA has done nothing in 211 years about racism? Yes, tere are problems, but I think it will get better over (...) (24 years ago, 15-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahhhhhh! No! Noted Miata-driving liberal agrees with noted SUV-driving conservative. Film at 11! Bruce (24 years ago, 15-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, John DiRienzo (<G0xz8F.Fon@lugnet.com>) wrote at 18:55:26 (...) From this year's UK catalogue, page 21, Basic set 4216. Also, one of the girls in the LEGO Friends software on page 48. (24 years ago, 15-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) I wonder about this. I tend to believe that no matter where you find people, you find the same basic human tendencies. One of those, unfortunately, happens to be prejudice (not just limited to racism). Based upon that I would expect to find as (...) (24 years ago, 16-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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"Kyle D. Jackson" <flightdeck@sympatic...mblock.ca> wrote in message news:G0yI4w.J3p@lugnet.com... (...) Its sad, but true. Humans in general are always looking for a selfish way to elevate themselves and put down others to make themselves look (...) (24 years ago, 16-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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"Scott E. Sanburn" <ssanburn@cleanweb.net> wrote in message news:002b01c01f5b$7c...default... (...) to (...) that (...) decent (...) Ah, Scott, Lugnet's voice of reason. ;-P So you are telling me slavery = racism? These are different things. (...) (24 years ago, 16-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have one here: 4216: A black girl. 4225 also had a black person, I think. 4222 has a chinese or japanese person. --Tobias (24 years ago, 16-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(lugnet.general taken off the list) (...) Unfortunately, yes. And certainly *not* limited to racism. This applies to everything from clothes and artificial appearance to manner of speech, body structure, certain ticks or subconcious movements (1). (...) (24 years ago, 17-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Semantically, there's no necessary connection. But around 1800 or so, with the rise of scientific racism, the two became linked. It started out as a way for otherwise decent human beings to "justify" the moral rectitude of slavery (and later, (...) (24 years ago, 18-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, Lego produces figures that are representatives of the several ethnicity. I saw several duplo figures sets, marketed under dacta brand. Selçuk (24 years ago, 18-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) Slavery is not racism, although it is evil enough. At least, there are many places around the world, developed very well, where there is no slavery, but plenty of racism. And I don't think being not racist is just calling black people (...) (24 years ago, 18-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Two points I need to make for others reading this. I don't agree with the tone of Scott's message, just the general concept that things have gotten better on the racism front. Hardly perfect, but much better. The second is the irony of my (...) (24 years ago, 18-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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FUT lugnet.off-topic.debate, because this has less and less to do with Lego... (...) You know, I hear this said a lot, but just to play decil's advocate, it could easily be argued that small children also haven't learned that electrical sockets are (...) (24 years ago, 18-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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[lugnet.general trimmed, while this isn't off-topic, it's definitely .debate!] (...) Also, <set:4285 Classic Value Bucket 4285>.[1] The US (North American?) Retail catalog tends to be well-balanced, as far as the models (people, not lego sets!) in (...) (24 years ago, 18-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Yes, I've seen those sets too, it was called "LEGO world family" or something. It had black duplo people, and I think chinese ones, too. --Tobias (...) (24 years ago, 18-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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"Tim Courtney" <tim@zacktron.com> wrote in message news:G0yMvK.9rF@lugnet.com... (...) one (...) To them, mini-figs are food! But seriously, it is not only to make themselves look better that people discriminate. It is deeper than that - most (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) You see, Bruce? There is hope yet for you! : ) Scott (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John DiRienzo writes: First off, I just want to say I apologize to John, I think I misunderstood a lot from here, and we had our own disagreements elsewhere. I sincerely apologize to you Johm, and everyone here, for being (...) (24 years ago, 19-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Check out the reliablity ratings of a Miata vs. a Suburban - I'll be picking you up. Unfortunately, I won't be able to fit your Suburban in my trunk, but we'll have a great time zipping around corners without rolling over. I promise only to (...) (24 years ago, 20-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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