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| | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —Markus Wolf
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| | | | | (...) have (...) meant (...) Well, if God's going to hold you accountable for what you've done with what you know. (And that's the impression I get from reading Romans 1 and 2) Then don't you think He would take the time and make the effort to let (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —Ben Roller
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| | | | | | | (...) I didn't want to be picky, so I almost didn't post this, but... It's important to realize that not every religion has a God. That is, I think, one of the more common differences between Eastern and Western religions. Ben Roller (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —Markus Wolf
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| | | | | | | | (...) I honestly know little to nothing about eastern religions. But I figure, if there's no god to be accountible to, it doesn't matter if you believe in it or not. It might be a nice little "this is good, this is bad" system that might have it's (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Eastern vs. Western religions (was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Well, from what I know of Eastern religions, they've always made more sense to me than Western religions. (I'm thinking Zen Buddhism vs. Christianity in particular here.) (...) IMHO, holding oneself accountable to a deity is to ignore the one (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Eastern vs. Western religions (was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Markus Wolf
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) that (...) And my beanie little brain fluctuates in a different manner. I think since people's understanding is so limited, especially of each other, they can't possibly know the heart of the one they're forgiving. We can rationalize that (...) (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Eastern vs. Western religions (was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Ben Roller
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) So Todd, is that just your opinion or what? ;) Ben Roller (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I would suggest that its a conceit of your ego that these "things" exist. Love is probably just your nervous system "grooving" with someone else's nervous system. There are lots of popular "scientific" views now that "love" is largely a (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —Markus Wolf
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I knew that somehow you could boil it down to a mechanical apparatus if you wanted to. But in my heart I've gotta believe that we're more than just really sophisticated amoebas (no nitpicking please!) There are truths that supersede science (...) (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I think the more we build up the idea of love, the more disappointed we are in how it plays out in reality. By accepting a more science-based view, I feel I have something closer to the truth of it and I am therefore not disappointed in my (...) (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —Markus Wolf
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) But I think you're limiting yourself by settling for such low expectations of love. Not to sound psychological, but if you're protecting yourself from being hurt, then your protecting yourself from the joy that could possibly come too. Of (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I think this is an interesting thing for you to say. If memory serves, you are paraphrasing Paul (1 Corinthians 13? Except in King James it says "charity" instead of "love"). The difference is that Paul was talking about God's love for (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —Markus Wolf
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Well, my friend,, you got the right passage but you better re-read it. My paraphrase (actually my best recollection from the New International version) is not merely God's love for humanity. But you are correct that love in it's purest form (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —Ben Roller
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| | | | | | | | (...) I think the point of those religions is that you believe in it because it's true, not because you are afraid of your god. Ben Roller (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —Markus Wolf
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| | | | | | | | (...) it (...) Point well taken. How do you base what you believe is true? On what fits your current lifestyle best? I met a woman once who told me she believed in reincarnation just because she felt like it. She was a "Good Lutheran." (her words) (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —James Brown
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| | | | | | (...) Seems to me that God, if so inclined, could demonstrate the truth in a way that leaves no question, no doubting, and can't be denied or avoided. God is omnipotent, after all. James (URL) (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —Shiri Dori
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| | | | | (...) First off, my translation of the original, hebrew 2nd commandment: "You shall not make yourself any statue and any picture". It originally told the Jews not to create or worship images and/or statues of the dieties. These were very common (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | (...) BTW, Judaism is NOT the first monotheistic faith. The Egyptian Pharoah Akhenaten, A.K.A. The Heretic King, is probably the first monotheist in history -- believing in a single solar diety -- The Aten. When the same idea was taken up by Moses (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —Bill Farkas
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| | | | | | (...) You're forgetting Abraham and Noah, they were long before this pharaoh and long before formal judaism. The hadn't taken up the views of that heretic, they obeyed the active voice of the God of their fathers. Melchizedek (Gen 14) is called the (...) (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bill Farkas writes: <<a bunch of stuff here and elsewhere...omitted for the sake of brevity>> Bill, its hard for me to respond to your comments because you ACTUALLY believe this stuff and I DO NOT. This is like talking (...) (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —Kya Morden
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| | | | (...) And I'm currently interested in what in the world the book was that talked about memes that my anthropology professor mentioned cause now you people have me curious and want to read that. (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —Todd Lehman
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| | | | (...) There's a good book called _Virus_of_the_Mind_ -- probably available at Amazon or Fatbrain or B&N. (And hey, if B&N doesn't have it, nobody does! ;-) --Todd (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods? —Erik Olson
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| | | | I loathe the term "meme." It seems to focus on form to the exclusion of substance, as if ideas were magical incantations that just take over and needn't be analyzed very deeply. I think the meme theory appeals to a void in the mind of bankrupt (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Richard Franks
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| | | | | (...) Consider the following bits of everyday information: * Tanoy message in the subway stating that all trains westbound are delayed * The release date for a software package is May 2000 * Street Preacher (Manic or not) telling you that your soul (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | | (...) Right off, I'm not able to recall much from reading Dawkins (it was half my lifetime ago.) So anything I take issue with doesn't refer to his book. I'd probably benefit from reading it now! (But I've got a pile of new Stephen Jay Gould and (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Ya, that's what I meant earlier when I mentioned that religions were memes. I'm always curious how religions manage to propagate themselves. Thus, it doesn't seem surprising to me that a religion with a first commandment in which its deity (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I think the strategy is also to announce the desirable features of Messiah 2.0 and then not actually ship it. When others announce their version of Messiah, threaten them. Of course, a significant portion of the user base hasn't even (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | | | (...) It might have been an essay, but it was a good one :) Thanks for this - I understand your previous message now! The meme-meme is an easy one to grasp but hard to master. I can't say I've mastered it yet, but I do find it interesting :) Richard (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | (...) In addition to religions, some of the more fascinating memes (IMHO) include Internet hoaxes or urban legends -- for example the so-called "Good Times Virus" hoax or the so-called "Mrs. Fields' Cookies Rcecipe" messages. It's fascinating how (...) (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Ben Roller
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| | | | | | | | | (...) But that one's true! I have it right here in my mailbox and can send the receipe to anyone that wants it. Ben Roller P.S. Before anyone asks for it, I was joking. :) (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yeah, I know. :/ Unfortunately, the 'net doesn't have very effective antibodies. Fortunately, bandwidth just keeps going up. :) Whenever I do get sent this sort of thing, I tend to reply with SARC's URL.(1) It seems to be working, since I get (...) (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | Richard Franks wrote: . (...) Interesting. Can you do one dividing line? That is, if you sort by accuracy, do you get a crisp place to divide, or is "usefulness" a different sort key? I think it is. For example: I'd posit (for the sane of argument) (...) (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) c /sane/sake/ just a fun typo, NOT a pun try, although there are those who question my sanity and those who question whether it's not insane to try to debate here. But this one is more fun than usual. Cheers to sproat for spawning it. (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) ...and definitely not a misteak! :) --Todd (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | (...) Larry, I looked back though .off-topic.geek , and I couldn't find whether you had revealed the identity of the text editor that uses this mysterious text replacement syntax. Do you care to do so now, or should I look even deeper? Hmmm...just (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Ben Roller
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| | | | | | | (...) I had to do one for a basic computer skills class(1), and I must say that though the idea sounded like fun, the implementation was horribly easy. I'd love to try a hard one sometime as in general I love scavenger hunts. Ben Roller 1. Since I'm (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | (...) scavenger (...) Not a scavenger hunt like in the Intro to Computers class. You gotta go for the real hard quests. Like, a post-doctorate dissertation on the effects of infrared light filtering in the thermosphere, or a virtual possum (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Matthew Wilkins
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| | | | | | | | (...) *chuckle* this would make the search more like that for El Dorado or the Flying Dutchman... *smirk* -Cheese, who is a Macintosh guru, thank you very much. Bill Gates Must Die! (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | (...) Of course the average IBMer doesn't use XEDIT (in any guise) much anymore. We use Lotus Notes for e-mail (now there's something to debate on...). Frank (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | (...) Ugh. I absolutely hate maintaining a Notes Server. And until recently, the client was incredibly horrible. Both scored negative points with me in terms of user-friendliness and flexability. But: I understand that, using the right combination (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | Every Notes installation I've ever seen in real life (outside of IBM, that is) (and I've seen a bunch, trust me) always seemed to have a PROFS installation running somewhere too, for calendaring. Dunno why. I digress... PROFS is just a shell on top (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Library vs Internet —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | I have to say that was a hasty remark of mine. I was saying to myself, "I will not use Altavista, I will not accept somebody's junky information, I will search my books first..." But since I left campus life, the only library I go to regularly is at (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Is memetics a meme? (was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | (...) Question: If Memetics itself is a meme, is it an intellectual bank-robber meme, bankrupting non-bankrupt intellectuals in its path, or does it propagate only in the minds of those who are already intellectually bankrupt? --Todd (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Is memetics a meme? (was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?) —Erik Olson
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| | | | (...) ... I'd have to say no because this is getting silly! (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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