Debate : 24005


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What's a freedom fighter? —Don Heyse

(...) I know, I know. I promised myself I'd try to stay away from .debate. But this freedom fighter thing got me thinking. What's a freedom fighter? Who gets to decide? Were the IRA ever called freedom fighters? How are they generally perceived in (...) (21 years ago, 25-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Scott Arthur

(...) I expect they were; much of their funds came from the USA afterall. Read about (URL) & (URL) then tell us what you think. Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 25-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Pedro Silva

(...) Congratulations! You've just managed to sum up nearly all the wars: we're right, the enemy is wrong. We're brave, the enemy is villanous. We'll win, the enemy will lose. We think all this, the enemy... does too. So why is it he's the enemy, (...) (21 years ago, 25-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Don Heyse

(...) So if it really is all that muddy then what drives certain people (URL) post their opinion on it over and over and over and over and over, driving me nuts. I mean, I look at his background there and I don't see anything that says "crazy person (...) (21 years ago, 25-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

This is strange. (was: Re: What's a freedom fighter?) —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(...) This is totally an aside, but that is a very strange academic page, because it does not say where (from what institution) Scott got his PhD. Usually that is something that is broadcast far and wide to the heavens above, even in British (...) (21 years ago, 25-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: This is strange. (was: Re: What's a freedom fighter?) —Scott Arthur

(...) I have two work pages. This is "my" one, so the data you want is buried in the page... well the 1st paragraph really. Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —David Koudys

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Don Heyse wrote: <snip> (...) Scott, is that you? I knew you were pretty smart but my goodness! Nicely done. Now you're teaching? Shaping the minds of the younger generation? ;) Dave K (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Scary, isn't it? :-) (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

work-pages & bridge postcards —Scott Arthur

(...) Indeed it is... at least he looks just as handsome as me. ;) (...) Yeah, but they won't let me teach politics. ;( (...) But these days a few of the "younger generation" are older than me... which I think is a good thing! I'm not sure how I (...) (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: work-pages & bridge postcards —David Koudys

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote: snip (...) All I have is my personal website-- (URL) sometimes you'll see pics of me, which are usually humourous in and of themselves... snip (...) (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: work-pages & bridge postcards —Larry Pieniazek

(...) I'm confused by that. Is it a public site or not? You'd get the feeling that Scott is embarassed by his work. (I do recall asking repeatedly what his doctorate was in and his curious refusal to answer directly). I look at that work site and I (...) (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: work-pages & bridge postcards —Scott Arthur

(...) It is viewable. It can be found via (URL). What do you think? (...) Indeed, that is why the page has links to some of my publications. I'm not embarassed by my work, I now just choose not to talk about it here. No big deal. (...) I don't (...) (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: work-pages & bridge postcards —John Neal

(...) I wonder why....too many Lefties on the faculty already? I know why they won't let you teach grammar>;^D JOHN (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: work-pages & bridge postcards —Larry Pieniazek

(...) That must be some sort of slur against the UK, because his grammar is fine. So you must be saying it's too good to pass muster, or something. Which, as an anglophile, I resent. :-) (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: work-pages & bridge postcards —John Neal

(...) Look again. (21 years ago, 27-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Scott Arthur

(...) I suppose there are 2 types of people: Those who accept the world is a crappy place. Those who want to do something about it. Which are you? As an aside, would I bother you less if I were pro-Bush? Scott A (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Don Heyse

(...) You left out a third choice. Those who like to complain about it. (...) I don't think I fit in either of your categories. The world is not black and white. I accept the fact that I cannot change much of it and try to do what little I can to (...) (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Scott Arthur

(...) Would you say that quite so readily if I were an American? BTW: I'm sorry if you are disturbed. ;) Scott A (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Don Heyse

(...) Sure, why not. Hateful sentiments are disturbing regardless of the source. For instance, I find Dave Schuler's rabidness disturbing as well, but I take comfort in the fact that he's still somehow able to find time for the megablocks. You are (...) (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Pedro Silva

(...) Rabid, Dave! :-O (...) Note this is the "off-topic" section - if you start speaking LEGO here, it gets kinda weird... there are better groups for that (most of lugnet, really) Then again, I am not the curator; Lar is better qualified than I am (...) (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —David Koudys

(...) If I may-- Don used a previous posting of someone (who shall remain nameless) and quoted almost word for word, substituting Iraq, AQ, et al, with Africa, UN, et al. I thought it was a fine demonstration of wording that can be used in other (...) (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Pedro Silva

(...) It did sound familiar, yes. (...) No argument there, Dave. I merely point out the fact it appears incoherent to denounce whomever complains in o-t.d, and then go and do the same thing. In no way I criticize the content or style of the post; (...) (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Don Heyse

(...) Nuts. I thought you were calling the words incoherent. Anyhow, I posted that as an attempt to show the ill effects of the emotionally charged language some people use in here. I don't have the energy to produce those kinds of words on my own. (...) (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Scott Arthur

(...) It takes more than energy. Scott A (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Don Heyse

(...) I'm not sure what you mean by that. Usually your writing is a bit long for me, but fairly clear. (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) I've always associated "disturbed" with Dave! But not in a serious, bad way. More of a good way. I don't see him as rabid, I see him more as "consistent". Some of his premises are fallacious, but he's mostly on the side of the angels, as they (...) (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

(canceled) —Don Heyse

(canceled) —Scott Arthur

(canceled) —Don Heyse

(canceled) —Larry Pieniazek

(canceled) —Don Heyse

(canceled) —Dave Schuler

(canceled) —David Koudys

(canceled) —Larry Pieniazek

(canceled) —Don Heyse

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Don Heyse

(...) I don't know how. His writing is like a powerful magnetic field. Very polarizing. Normally my perspective spins around, tilting ever so slightly to the right these days. But in his presence I feel compelled to align myself against him. I don't (...) (21 years ago, 27-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) No I don't. It's grammatically correct, yes but rhetorically, it's quite weak. He dodges questions, doesn't address refutations, writes as if he doesn't get the point of other people's arguments even when spelt out in detail, and doesn't make (...) (21 years ago, 27-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Don Heyse

(...) See, now that's what I'm talking about. You debators probably all know what you meant by that sentence. I'm gonna have to look up "rhetorically" and find out what it means in that context. (...) Well, he's got me fooled then. I have enough (...) (21 years ago, 27-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Dave Schuler

This one's for Mike P! (...) I thought it was a Gone With The Wind/Star Wars reference: Rhett or Ric Olie. Dave! FUT OT.Deja-Vu (21 years ago, 27-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Scott Arthur

(...) Your posts yesterday suggest otherwise; 6 out of your last 7 have related to me. As an aside, there is something upsetting about having one's posts discussed by the only two (URL) plagiarists> I know on LUGNET. Before you both continue this (...) (21 years ago, 27-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Don Heyse

(...) Is that me? My vocab isn't what I wish it was, but I thought it was called something different when you substitute just a few of your own words. Kinda like Weird Al singing "Eat It", but not quite. Oh well, you're the PhD here, so you must be (...) (21 years ago, 27-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Scott's been trotting that old canard out against me for years. I'm surprised and disappointed that he's trying to use it against you too now. My advice? Just ignore it, unless you want to make a complaint under announce/1629 yourself. I (...) (21 years ago, 27-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Scott Arthur

(...) I suggest you read (URL) this> and then apologise. Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 27-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Richard Parsons

(...) Its an interesting observation about the similarities between Scott and teenagers, and to my mind not nearly so negative as Larry might cheekily imply by ignoring them. Even more telling is the truly American approach of simply filtering out (...) (21 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Dave Schuler

(...) See? I told you Australians hate freedom. Dave! (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Scott Arthur

(...) They love it; most of their grandparents were convicts. ;) Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Richard Parsons

(...) Ha! No convicts in my line as far as I know (I'm sorry to say), but definitely some displaced Irish, downtrodden English, and the odd Scot. Mind you, that was all a long time ago, and its not like genealogy has been a big interest in my family (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —John Neal

(...) Then we may be the same. Our FF were very wary of government and set up our Constitution to basically protect the people's freedom from the government they were establishing. Our heritage is colorful, but not for the same reasons as yours;-) (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) C /be/have been/ (...) Too bad we've deviated so far from that in the 200+ years since then. c.f. the Patriot Act for instance. ++Lar (who just got a telemarketing call from the GOP with one of those quasi surveys... after answering a few (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Scott Arthur

(...) Let's look at my "disturbing" (URL) again: Don: Were the IRA ever called freedom fighters? Scott: I expect they were; much of their funds came from the USA after all. Read and think about what I'm linking. I'm saying the IRA and the USA are (...) (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Don Heyse

(...) Forget Dave, forget John. I was talking about you. Let me get this straight. Was I mistakenly reading anti-american sentiments into your remarks? I got the distinct impression that you despise me and everyone like me from your writings. To me (...) (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —John Neal

(...) Clearly? Please cite for those of us less enlightened than you. JOHN (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Scott Arthur

(...) I must admit to enjoying this (URL). Scott A (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) The problem with that theory denunciation is that, every once in a while, there IS a good guy bad guy war... And the problem wht THAT theory denunciation is that, "every once in a while" isn't very often, and it's hard to tell (from the (...) (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —John Neal

(...) I agree. So help me refute Dave! and his fallacious argument by assertion accusation:-) JOHN (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Larry Pieniazek

(...) You snipped too much. The problem is this... The evidence so far is that this(1) isn't one of those cases. 1 - the war in Iraq, not the war on intolerance demonstrated via explosions (21 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

Re: What's a freedom fighter? —Terry Prosper

(...) "GWB's puppets of tyranny" sounds about right. Most people here think of this as a military invasion and therefore, an illegal intrusion in another country. The fact that Saddam isn't in power anymore is good, but the price to pay was too (...) (21 years ago, 27-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)