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| | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Dave Schuler
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| | | | (...) I'm a big fan of Moore! I note with great amusement that "Stupid White Men" was already a bestseller on your island before it was even release there--thanks, Amazon! It's a chilling read, but I'm afraid it suffers from Moore's habit of sparse (...) (22 years ago, 6-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | (...) I share that opinion... especially as I read it without knowing there was an acknowledgments section at the back of the book. His arguments would have been more convincing if he’d put his references in the text. (...) It only got limited (...) (22 years ago, 7-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | shame on you Mr Bush. ["Re: Freedom from information"] —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) I've still not seen it yet, but well done: Anti-war speeches dominate Oscars (URL) his gracious acceptance speech:] "Fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president... mean we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: shame on you Mr Bush. ["Re: Freedom from information"] —David Koudys
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| | | | | | (...) Yeah, he was pretty much boo'ed off the stage. It was a good show though--probably the first time I actually sat down and watched the entire show. (hopeing for more 'Lord of the Rings' wins, but alas...) Dave K (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | (...) As an aside, this letter made it into the Guardian yesterday: ==+== Matthew Engel says (Move over John Wayne, January 14) anti-war demos "still failed to get reported anywhere that matters". After reports in the New York Times failed to do (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) ...and now it's UK "book of the year": Moore wins Book Of The Year (URL) bit of a worry really. Scott A (22 years ago, 25-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —John Neal
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| | | | (...) I agree. How sad. Instead of choosing a book *worthy* of the award, let's choose a book that pushes our personal agenda. Merit really never entered into it. JOHN (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —David Koudys
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| | | | | (...) If by "personal agenda", you mean to encompass the nation... " Moore's triumph was boosted by a strong telephone vote from the public, who were invited to participate in the awards for the first time this year. Until now only those in the (...) (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | (...) With due respect, John, what book would you call "worthy" of the award? Have you read either of Moore's books, or have you only read what other conservatives have said about them? I've previously noted Moore's really unfortunate tendencies to (...) (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Well, let's back up a moment. I am suspicious of anything such as a "book of the year" award, *especially* if it is open to a public vote. What the public likes is often quite silly and rarely serious. I would hope that a winner of such an (...) (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) Hey, that was a pretty good answer. So your complaint is a comment on the award process itself, rather than on which book received the award? I can accept that. (...) Maybe, but it's also useful to Know Thine Enemy! (...) Let's leave Franken (...) (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) I try...:-) (...) Yes. Reminds me of the People's Choice Awards. I am suspicious of those as well-- I am a believer in relying on the marketplace to define the success of many things. After all, a platinum record sold 1,000,000 (or whatever (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) See, I think this paragraph very neatly spotlights the problem with the one dimensional labeling system in use (because it's simple?) left-right ... liberal-conservative To be fair you did not explicitly label Bruce and Dave! (1) But the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> er, forgot to include the footnote so here it is: 1 - Correct placement for Dave! My record on this is certainly among the top posters here... ++Lar (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I think you also hold the record for most successful uses in a single post, though I can't find it right now. Dave! (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Yes, labels are restrictive and simplistic and I wouldn't necessarily hold anyone to a category. My analysis was chiefly based upon my observation that I am almost always in philosophical disagreement with these 2 guys on many issues, and I am (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) You make a fine point, though I should confess that I don't really mind being grouped that way. It's kind of like being thrown into the generic category of "animal" versus "vegetable" or "mineral." You're also correct that the range of (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) No. There's more to it than that. I am saying it's a field (of two or more dimensions), not a spectrum (which is one dimensional). We have in the past discussed possible axes... Using such axes it's possible to more correctly describe areas of (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) Hey buddy, *I'll* tell you what you're saying. And if my spectra have more dimensions than yours, pooh-pooh for you. So there! 8^) **snip of some good elucidation*** Dave! (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Typical Liberal! The State knows best and all that. :-) I'm a man, not a number! (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | (...) One of my fav. Simpsons eps is when they parodied "The Prisoner" No. 6 built this boat out of toothpicks 'n such, and Homer jumps in and takes it, leaving No 6 crying, "Not again!!!"... Then the bubble's chasing Homer and he pulls out this (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Tank? What tank? There is no tank. (URL) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) makeshift tank, or bin (I only saw the ep. once and that was so long ago I can't remember). Before the website, as posted above, was around, the euphimism for any show that has gone south was known as "jumping the shark tank" Of course, there (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | (...) Sorry I missed that one. Since the Prisoner is being brought up, why did 6 drive a 7? More importantly, could Larry fit into one? -->Bruce<-- I am not a number, I am a free man....oh, my Liberal Social Security number is 000-00-0006....as I (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | The Prisoner Series--was Re: Freedom from information —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) K, this is a question for those that actually are fans of "The Prisoner" A long time ago I woke up at like 2 a.m. and couldn't fall back to sleep so I turned on the telly and (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Prisoner Series--was Re: Freedom from information —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Not a big fan, but here's a link that may be interesting: (URL) Dave! (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Prisoner Series--was Re: Freedom from information —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Thanks! Combined with my 2 a.m. status, that show was really weird. Now I know it wasn't just me, it was the show itself ;) Dave K (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Prisoner Series--was Re: Freedom from information —James Stacey
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) The truth is by this point in the show, Patrick MacGoohan was writing and directing it himself, and thats when it started to go a little .. shall we say odd. Being a fan of the program I have to say the straightdope article is a littile harsh, (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Prisoner Series--was Re: Freedom from information —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) If there were 17 eps, I've seen half the series. CityTV ran the series a few years back, and I watched when I wasn't so tired (12 a.m. to 1 a.m.) It was just that particular 2 a.m. ep that left me wondering what was going on. My overall (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Prisoner Series--was Re: Freedom from information —Maggie Cambron
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Hey! When did you stop travelling incommunicado? Maggie C. (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Prisoner Series--was Re: Freedom from information —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) That's what happens to ex spies, I understand. (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Prisoner Series--was Re: Freedom from information —James Stacey
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Ah well you can't travel incommunicado whn you are just a number (and I reformatted my machine and havent set up my sig files yet :) ) James ---insert quote here--- "Maggie Cambron" <mcambron@pacbell.net> wrote in message (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Prisoner Series--was Re: Freedom from information —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) The order of the episodes is apparently the subject of much debate, they apparently were shown in the order they were completed (as the series was much behind schedule, over budget etc) rather than an order that makes "sense". "Fallout", the (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Prisoner Series--was Re: Freedom from information —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) It helps a lot! Thanks. Reading thru the first couple episode synopsis hearkened me back to the day when I could debate Star Trek eps. with the best of 'em--wow that's alotta info! Camera positions and all! These types of things always bring (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) Just in case you're flipping thru the channels and come across a Simpsons ep--here's the brief overview of this particular ep (iirc) Homer starts his own website but is getting no (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) In the interest of full disclosure, I must admit that I haven't listened to him at all for several years, except for an occasional snippet while I'm driving. When I did listen, he played at least as fast-and-loose with facts as Moore does, and (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | (...) I have not read the book, but a friend of mine use to get his daily (weekly? whatever) e-mail message. Moore was quite a good writer. Much more coherent than say, a Rush Limbaugh. I'll have to get the book, now. :-) -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) A good writer of fiction and propaganda, yes. And to be fair, that's all he claims to be. When pressed, he doesn't claim to tell truth. My issue with him is that he doesn't disclaim very well at all and the credulous are (perhaps deservedly (...) (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —John Neal
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| | | | | | | (...) Just a housekeeping note here-- the words above are not mine, but -->Bruce's<--. JOHN (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yes. The indenting/nesting of citations is quite clear on that point but since I left none of your words I should have trimmed your tag away too. Sorry. (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —David Koudys
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| | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) Truth to say, BPS pretty much matches the above description, imho. Dave K <snip> (...) (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Freedom from information —Terry Prosper
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| | | | | (...) I think this book is great! It's a good thing that it won. It will give it a publicity that will make it even more popular. Terry (22 years ago, 26-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | I discovered he was a plagiarist [Re: Freedom from information] —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) I don’t think one is supposed to look at the text as a bible; it is more of a starting point for further reading. I expect most of those who voted read it because it told them what they wanted to hear; not to understand more about themselves (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: I discovered he was a plagiarist [Re: Freedom from information] —John Neal
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| | | | (...) lol What makes you think that the onslaught of voters who cast their ballot actually *read* the book, or for that matter, knew how to read? >;^D (...) How common of you! JOHN (22 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: I discovered he was a plagiarist [Re: Freedom from information] —David Koudys
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