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Re: stopping topics vs. dealing with troublemakers and nonconstructive participants
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Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:29:49 GMT
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Hey Tom,

It's hard to work against ones upbringing.  My Papa always told me, "Son",
he'd say, "No matter what you do, do your best.  If it doesn't work out,
well so what?  At least you did your best."

The idea is for *me* to do what *I* can.  If the Wright brothers followed
your logic, they'd say, "Well, look at all those other failures--those
people tried and didn't fly, so we might as well not put in the effort
ourselves."

Sure, learn from past mistakes--he who doesn't learn from historys mistakes
is doomed to repeat them.  That said, those two proverbs quoted by yours
truly earlier (darn those Christian ethics of mine!!) also apply:

Proverbs 26:4 - Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like
him yourself.

Proverbs 26:5 - Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in
his own eyes.

It's a difficult time distinguishing which of those proverbs apply at the time.

You put in the effort.  You 'do your time'.  You do what you can.  If, at
the end of the day you didn't get anywhere, you let it go and move on.
However, you don't give up hope that someday, it will get better--that
someday someone will get it together enuf to get it to fly.

Dave K
-the eternal optimist.

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Thomas Stangl writes:
David Eaton wrote:

Ultimately, if I make statements "without sufficient justification" - you
can quite easily show my error.

Very true. However, they are often repeat offenses. Showing people's error
repeatedly without apparent improvement or result quickly becomes pointless.
Hence a tendancy on several people's parts to ignore your posts.

Ding ding ding!

We have a winner!

Now, can YOU and DK finally beat a clue into your heads, and realize that you are
never going to get Scott to admit to his errors, and IGNORE HIM?

I don't know how many times people have mentioned in here that that is the only way
to deal with him.

Don't be as thick as he is - listen to people's advice, especially when it is
coming from people that have beat their head against the Scott Arthur Brick Wall
before.

I put him on Ignore long ago, and it certainly has raised my enjoyment of this
group...
except when some of you numbskulls can't take a hint and continue to try to
straighten him out.  He's permanently bent, deal with it, move on.


--
Tom Stangl
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  Re: stopping topics vs. dealing with troublemakers and nonconstructive participants
 
(...) Well said. However, realizing WHEN to let it go and move on seems to be a problem (for many, if not most, in this specific group). Can you please just realize that it's time to let it go? Instead of adding to the posts in here (like I am by (...) (22 years ago, 20-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: stopping topics vs. dealing with troublemakers and nonconstructive participants
 
(...) Very true, but the Wright brothers didn't say "Let's try the same methods that failed for all those other guys." They also didn't say "Let's try to make our airplane work by flying repeatedly into an impenetrable barrier." Your attempt to (...) (22 years ago, 20-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: stopping topics vs. dealing with troublemakers and nonconstructive participants
 
(...) Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Now, can YOU and DK finally beat a clue into your heads, and realize that you are never going to get Scott to admit to his errors, and IGNORE HIM? I don't know how many times people have mentioned in here that (...) (22 years ago, 20-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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