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Re: stopping topics vs. dealing with troublemakers and nonconstructive participants
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:58:54 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes:
> Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > I know where Dave K. is coming from, hate the sin, love the sinner. He's a
> > nice guy with a big heart, but I think sometimes love includes shunning if
> > nothing else will work. For that reason I think Scott Arthur should be
> > completely ignored. Even when he posts something interesting. Not just by
> > me, but by everyone. He fails the above test pretty badly. (not straight
> > zeros mind you, but nowhere near any sort of good score)
> >
> > I admit a bit of cheating on ignoring him. if someone else responds, I have
> > been known to respond to the responder. I probably should stop that.
>
> I'm an incredibly tolerant person. It takes quite a bit to get me to
> speak ill of someone.
I seem to remember that the last time we interacted here, your post was
described as an “extreme overreaction”… and you were advised to ignore me. ;)
> Scott Arthur has pushed me to that point. I
> register as one point of evidence the current debate between Dave K and
> Scott A. Dave was trying to be nice to Scott, and what's happening,
> Scott's pulling out his usual debating style and totally clouding the
> issue.
>
> If you look at the history of Lugnet, I even made a stand to defend
> Scott at one time.
…and I am still grateful for that and your continued involvement on Lugnet
> There was a time when Scott was a significant
> contributor to the community even though it was only through sales (I've
> looked in the past for Scott's posts, I found almost no posts outside of
> market posts and debate posts).
>
> I know there are other folks whose primary participation in Lugnet is on
> .debate, but they do occaisionally contribute in other areas of Lugnet,
> and I have seen their participation in the community outside of Lugnet.
As I have said before, I make absolutely no secret of the fact that I largely
only post here and in loc.uk – e-mail me, and I shall tell you why.
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> I know many would like to point the same test at Larry. I'm sure there
> are others who would score better than Larry. But there's a difference
> between Larry and Scott. Larry has repeatedly demonstrated not only that
> he does actually play with the brick (I'm trying to think of a time
> Scott has posted a MOC or picture of his collection or anything), but
> has repeatedly demonstrated a committment to building community.
As are many others - including yourself and myself.
> He
> occaisionally tramples someone's toes while doing so, but so does
> everyone else (I know I'm not perfect in that area myself).
Has anyone else engaged so much "toe treading"? [you don’t have to answer]
>
> Respect is something which is earned, though most of us automatically
> grant a new person some amount of respect (but really they still earn
> it, a pleasant greeting, for example, justifies a certain amount of
> respect be given to a person). Respect is earned by contribution, not by
> force of argument.
I do not make strong arguments here to gain respect - I do it to correct
misconceptions. GBS once wrote:
"The more things a man is ashamed of, the more respectable he is."
Perhaps if there were less flag-waving and more humility shown in this group,
I'd have much less to post about?
Scott A
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