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Consider this page: (URL) author certainly makes a bunch of valid points (although I dunno about the "arrogant and ignorant Brits" being valid or not... :-) )... but consider whether he's likely to make many converts by berating his readership. I (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This article makes the case against airline bailouts and airlines in general... (URL) found the Warren Buffett quote particularly hilarious (his frustration with airlines and their service was part of why he was instrumentel in founding the pioneer (...) (23 years ago, 13-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: DMs (was: Re: Dave's Anti-American Rant)
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(...) That's great! The CDs and book are probably not that bad, and I kinda like non-black DMs. I used to have a pair of cherry red three-hole shoes. Nice ones. Fredrik (23 years ago, 13-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: DMs (was: Re: Dave's Anti-American Rant)
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(...) In addition to my other garage sale FOTW (URL) found some new Doc Martens (1460 boots) in my size for $5! The only thing is they are a forest green color, and I was forced to take two CD's (Erasure and Duran Duran) and a Terry Brooks novel (...) (23 years ago, 12-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or are they one of the puppet-masters? (...) You'll know when there are no other options available. Seriously tough, if you look at the Declaration of Independence, ( (URL) ) you can see some startling similarities between the state that they (...) (23 years ago, 12-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well as my original post was *meant* to convey, (of which the line was snipped,) was that what I assume is that most people who support gun control, actually believe it is for the overall good. I doubt most gun control advocates even think of (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That may be *one* of the reasons, but it's no more insidious than the NRA's big-business pro-gun lobby, which has much less to do with personal freedoms than it has to do with lining the pockets of the gun industry. That's not to say that the (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Warriors or Fools? (was Re: Former Iraqi General)
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(...) As if he weren't already a canonized thief, W has in a single stroke demonstrated that Clinton (anyone remember our most recently elected President?) was far from our least moral commander-in-chief. (...) Four of the six reps in my area voted (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Warriors or Fools? (was Re: Former Iraqi General)
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Well, it's all just so many words now. From what I understand of it, our reps did well by us in the Bay Area, CA. What's everyone else's excuse? It is not generally thought that any war right now will be good for the economy. With low sales numbers (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Isn't that the real reason behind the "gun control is good" lobby? "Support gun control and give up your fundamental rights today." The Tyrants that actually believe what they do is for our own good, are the most dangerous of all. (I know, I (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Not the Green party...
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(...) This is a real interesting question. It's crystal clear to me that the parties should have a lot of say over how their name gets used. On the other hand, perhaps the parties should not "own" positions on the ballot. So, let's say a Republican (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good. Because if you go down that road it opens up a whole topic about crackpots... in every party... which I think we can skip, ne? However I think there IS an interesting topic in there, which is this, where should a smaller party draw the (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Former Iraqi General
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(...) Well, maybe it's time for me to be a little foolish maybe. I think as long as they know we could revolt, there is likely to never be the actual need to do so -- rather like the concept of mutually assured destruction. I don't think they'll (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't be too hard on yourself -- it's REALLY hard to know what is going on without accessing more international sources. And it doesn't matter the source -- almost ALL media is controlled, and usually by people with hefty wallets. You have to (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Cost Of Living (was Re: Ed's opinion of Larry and other trivia)
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(...) There are certainly places where teachers should be making more money. Schools though, waste huge sums of money in an attempt to educate. There are (private) schools that do a better job for less money without depriving the teachers. Maybe the (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Armed rebellion...at least for a little while yet. Chris (23 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So, I'll be able to walk the dog, the cat, the bird, AND the ferret?!? Oh no..... Bruce (23 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're right, Dave! We should stick to pertinent topics propounded by the Libertarians. I mean, what Californian could forget candidate for Lt. Gov. Pat Wright's pet issue? (URL) C. (23 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well after reading that enlightening (for lack of a more suitable description) article, I now see that my previous opinion of; "liberating the Iraqi people would be a good idea," was nothing more than delusional idealism. Idealism truly is a (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now, now! I'm far from a Libertarian apologist, but even I recognize the folly of judging a group by the silliness of one (or a few) of its members (though it may be a lot of fun!). It's much more rhetorically sound to address the tenets of a (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sorely tempted to make a wisecrack about what this says about the intelligence of libertarians, but I will refrain. Colloidal silver, indeed. --Bill. (23 years ago, 8-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Cost Of Living (was Re: Ed's opinion of Larry and other trivia)
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While the schools themselves may not need money (that's debatable for many areas - if a school is falling apart from lack of money for basic maintenance along with much-needed upgrades, it needs money), the teachers do. If a teacher cannot afford to (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's going to take a while to digest all this info, may take more than one reading to get the full scope, but ditto to what Dave! just said. Welcome to the American Empire, where the liberties and freedoms of individuals anywhere in the world (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is, sadly, the exact kind of helplessness and futility that Scott and I were discussing in the other thread. I can read all of this, and it certainly seems consistent with what we know of Bush (eg: stolen elections and questionable (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: K, in even simpler terms, for those of us who hate seeing death and killings and such...
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(...) ... and it appears Bush's geography is little better. The other night he said: ==+== We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: K, in even simpler terms, for those of us who hate seeing death and killings and such...
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(...) "Care enough" is hard to quantify, but I really don't know what the average citizen can do. Even organizing a rally or a letter-writing campaign seems unworkable in the timeframe available, and we've already seen that Bush is happy to detain (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: K, in even simpler terms, for those of us who hate seeing death and killings and such...
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(...) There were moments in Dubya's speech where he was downright eloquent, but for the most bit, I found he just grated on my nerves. There was once or twice when he almost said word for word stuff from Bartlett's speech from this years season (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: K, in even simpler terms, for those of us who hate seeing death and killings and such...
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(...) apathetic (adjective): lacking interest or energy; unwilling to take action esp. over a matter of importance Perhaps (the collective) you just does not care enough? 32% of my countrymen support an attack on Iraq. I’d bet half of them could not (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: K, in even simpler terms, for those of us who hate seeing death and killings and such...
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(...) Not at all! I'm quite upset about it, but I still recognize the futility. I suspect that many of My Fellow Americans feel the same. "Apathy" suggests that we don't care, when in fact we do (some, very strongly). I know you're semi-kidding (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: K, in even simpler terms, for those of us who hate seeing death and killings and such...
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(...) If true, I would view that as a rather apathetic outlook. ;) (...) Indeed, the need to conform is strong. ;) (...) I prefer to let the UN vote on it. After all, your servicemen are old enough to decide what is right or wrong. (...) People who (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: K, in even simpler terms, for those of us who hate seeing death and killings and such...
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(...) Actually, I would say that it stems from an awareness that someone has already made up Bush's mind to attack Iraq, as well as an awareness of the futility of trying to prevent it. Anyone who even suggests that we should wait before rushing in (...) (23 years ago, 8-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: K, in even simpler terms, for those of us who hate seeing death and killings and such...
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(...) A combination of a need to conform and political apathy. Scott A (23 years ago, 8-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: debates (was: John Leo's opinion of "The West Wing")
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: (Deleting a whole lot of things I agree with.) The contradiction with the dictionary (...) Please note that I am only using the names Beavis and Butthead in the next paragraph to differentiate (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've mentioned before, and I'm happy to reiterate here, that you've done vastly more reading on the subject than I, and I am therefore given to accept much of what you interpret the 2nd amendment to say. But if the issue as cut-and-dried as (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: K, in even simpler terms, for those of us who hate seeing death and killings and such...
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(...) I think that it _is_ becoming common knowledge. That's why he's grasping at straws. Chris (23 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: K, in even simpler terms, for those of us who hate seeing death and killings and such...
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(...) If you see this, and you're slowly convincing me that your interpretation of what's going on is true, so now I see it, how come this isn't common knowledge to the rest of the masses? What's going on? How can the first ammendment be "taking a (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: K, in even simpler terms, for those of us who hate seeing death and killings and such...
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(...) Participation in a conspiracy is dangerous stuff. There are always loose ends that you can't tie up. That's why big awful conspiracies that require lots of secrecy and participation are silly. Acting President Bush is, I believe, worried that (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Not the Green party...
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(...) THere was a report on my local NPR (NW Ohio) this morning that some company is marketing a similar cure for West Nile Virus as well. Maybe mosquitos can't see you in that spectrum? -c (23 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jason Spears writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Thanks for the heads up! Much appreciated. And your p.s.--first rate! Dave K. (23 years ago, 7-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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