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Re: K, in even simpler terms, for those of us who hate seeing death and killings and such...
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Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:00:20 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > If you see this, and you're slowly convincing me that your interpretation of
> > > > > what's going on is true, so now I see it, how come this isn't common
> > > > > knowledge to the rest of the masses?
> > >
> > > > A combination of a need to conform and political apathy.
> > >
> > > Actually, I would say that it stems from an awareness that someone has
> > > already made up Bush's mind to attack Iraq, as well as an awareness of the
> > > futility of trying to prevent it.
> >
> > If true, I would view that as a rather apathetic outlook. ;)
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> Not at all! I'm quite upset about it, but I still recognize the futility.
> I suspect that many of My Fellow Americans feel the same. "Apathy" suggests
> that we don't care, when in fact we do (some, very strongly). I know you're
> semi-kidding (hence the wink), but I wanted to underscore the point.
apathetic (adjective): lacking interest or energy; unwilling to take action
esp. over a matter of importance
Perhaps (the collective) you just does not care enough? 32% of my countrymen
support an attack on Iraq. I’d bet half of them could not find it on a map.
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> > > Anyone who even suggests that we should wait before rushing in is publicly
> > > condemned as a coward or an anti-American or a politicizer or simply a fool
> > > who can't see the obvious,
> >
> > Indeed, the need to conform is strong. ;)
>
> Again, I see the wink, but I'd like to clarify. If non-conformity results
> in the loss of one's job or respect or well-being, or if non-conformity
> causes one's family to lose such things, then it's a bigger issue than
> simply running with the crowd. The Bush administration is desperate to make
> this a polarizing litmus test while simultaneously pretending that they're
> doing no such thing.
Are you saying being "anti-war" can cause you to directly loose your job, or
are you talking about the longer-term economic case?
> Saddam's not likely to launch any initiatives against Israel or the US in
> the next month. That's why I say we should wait until after the next round
> of Congressional elections so that none of this "anti-American" mudslinging
> affects the Iraq vote.
Good point.
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> > I prefer to let the UN vote on it. After all, your servicemen are old enough
> > to decide what is right or wrong.
>
> UN aside for a moment, what I meant was that the Congress seems eager to
> send other people's offspring into combat, but I wonder if they'd be so
> willing to sacrifice their own.
What do their funders say they should do? ;)
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> > > By the way, this issue is further evidence that the Democrats and
> > > Republicans, though similar, are *not* interchangeable.
> >
> > People who claim the two main parties in the UK are “just the same”, are one
> > of the biggest causes of political apathy (IMO). I expect the same can be
> > said in the USA
>
> I thought you all just genuflect to The Queene and sip your tea in one
> big, happy House of Commons? 8^)
If Tony is "Queene", I agree!
Scott A
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> Dave!
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