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| | | Lately I've been lightheartedly condemning a coworker for his habit of signing CD's out of the local library, burning copies of them, and returning the originals, all without paying a cent to the copyright owner, of course. But in considering a (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Frank Filz
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| | | | | (...) Probably from an absolute standpoint, you would be required to destroy it. I can't see that anyone would be upset if you gave it with the original. (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | (...) You are no longer complying with fair use if you have sold the original. You should destroy it or pass it along with the original to the new owner. Bruce (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) OK, so if it's a CDRW, you can just write over it. But if it's a CDR you have to eat the material cost. If you intend to repurchase the CD, can you just hang on to the copy, not accessing the data -- just storing it, and then use it again once (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Horst Lehner
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| | | | Hello, (...) I don't know about the US, but here in Germany, we pay part of the price for each tape deck, CD burner, etc. into a pool that is meant to compensate the artists and copyright holders for the private copies made with those devices. (...) (23 years ago, 7-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Pedro Silva
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| | | | (...) With the exception of the Artist's pool, the situation is similar in Portugal. You can copy whatever you wish, as long as you have bought the original and don't make any money selling the copies (giveaways are OK). Pedro (23 years ago, 7-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Kirby Warden
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| | | | The whole problem here in the U.S. is that corporations don't want to miss out on a single penny. The recent Copyright laws (DMCA) basicly state that if you didn't pay for it, then you're a criminal... if you want to see what something is, pay for (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Frank Filz
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| | | | (...) It is true that copyrights are dominated by corporations, but the idea that the author should have control over his work is still valid. Limited sharing with friends should be encouraged since this will entice some of them to buy the work for (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | (...) I think you must mean: "A computer programmer who can afford to buy LEGO toys in spite of the fact that people give away software to all their friends because corporations have to pay for their copies." "What is" is that information is free. (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) How? If I give you a CD that I duped, that you would never in a million years have purchased, I don't see how it effects the profits of the music company that made the CD that I bought. It just doesn't! Same with books and software and (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | (...) If he wouldn't have purchased it a million years, then why would he want you to give a copy to him? If you're giving a copy to him because he wants it but wouldn't in a million years deign to purchase it, then it's theft. Same with books and (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | (...) What if it's just a loan (like the library does)? What if I want him to check out this really cool live recording of Pink Floyd at Pompeii -- so I dupe it and give him the copy? My point being that his interest is minimal, but he'll give it a (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | (...) Well, first off, if it's the same version of Pompeii that I have, then you have my sympathy for some really poor sound quality. If it's not, then you have my envy for a really cool disc. As I understand it (and of course I'm a board-certified (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | Rather than try and respond to specific points, I'm going to try an lay out my thoughts. Richard and Christopher have raised some interesting issues. Clearly the ideal is that the creator of a work get fairly compensated. This suggests that the more (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | More quibbling over the details... (...) I disagree with this view -- you are basically asserting that gatekeepers are not only here to stay but will somehow increase in their cultural value. The reality is that it takes a lot of work to discover to (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | (...) While I agree with you on the value of convergent media, I don't know that one's "right to listen to something on the hardware of [his] choosing" is really the crux of it. That is, you're welcome to listen to your Maurice Chevalier 78's on (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | (...) Like DVD region issues? Yikes! Talk about shooting themselves in the foot... I go with the book license as suggested by Frank -- I own a copy of a thing, how I use it is up to me. If I own the song on vinyl -- I can dupe it to CD or MP3. (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Ding! I got it! In my broad-sighted way I was thinking only of the problems of the original copy, rather than the fair-use backups. (...) No, but I sometimes spin a CD on my finger and shine a laser pointer on it for the economical way to (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I didn't so much mean between you and I as between the music industry and the rest of us. (...) Actually, I think you are still able to make the copy for the friend under the Fair Use doctrine, but I'd have to research it further. Cursory (...) (23 years ago, 9-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Something to consider is that a low volume item will have a higher cost. Some cost factors for a CD: - how long does it sit on the stores shelf (anyone know what fraction of a penny it costs for a CD to sit on the shelf of a music store for a (...) (23 years ago, 9-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Why do people list LEGO sets for (and get) exorbitant prices on eBay (and elsewhere)? If it's something they're interested in, and they can't be bothered searching for a better price, they'll pay what's asked. ROSCO (23 years ago, 9-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | (...) I agree it's limiting their own sales more than anything else, but much as I dislike the idea, I think they have the right to distribute DVDs as they see fit. Of course with so many non-region DVD players still available, it's a pretty (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | (...) Note also that such CDs won't play in many "ordinary" CD players either. ROSCO (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | (...) Well, Lugnet is a gatekeeper. I expect the big music publishers to start to fade away. I see a future with middlemen with a smaller audience and focus. On the other hand, I also expect some large middlemen to emerge. I bet bars would much (...) (23 years ago, 9-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | (...) What if your idea became the property of The People and The People compensated you for the time it took you to perfect the idea? Since your time is as valuable as anyone else's, if you are developing ideas for the good of The People, you could (...) (23 years ago, 9-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | (...) I happen to enjoy a VERY wide variety of music genres. I doubt that I shall easily find a set of reviewers whose views I respect or understand well enough to rely upon them. Perhaps, others with more boxed-in tastes can be served that way -- I (...) (23 years ago, 9-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) Maybe he's broke. Maybe he likes it enough to check it out, but not enough to procure a copy. Maybe it would be useful, but not useful enough to pay the asking price. Incidentally, I once searched for a way to pay a shareware producer ~$20 (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Frank Filz
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| | | | I see at the bottom you acknowledge that how IP works is a tough cookie, so please take the following questions not as criticism, but as ways to probe the workings of IP... (...) Is it really that dumb? In our current culture, I think that if the (...) (23 years ago, 9-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) He lost $20. That seems dumb to me. (...) I wonder what percentage of LUGNET members paid more than the minimum (I don't even remember what it is) for membership. I wonder if it matters. If the system we have is set up so that an average piece (...) (23 years ago, 9-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Frank Filz
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| | | | (...) Again, my question is, if he allowed the users to decide how much to pay (which is effectively what you are asking for), would he have got more or less money total? (...) I agree that online banking will help the situation. There does still (...) (23 years ago, 9-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Copyright/Fair use question —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) I don't know. You seem (though maybe not) to be implying that it would be less. I'm not so sure. But what if he'd been asking $50 but had an unadvertised way to send less. Would I have been the only one to use it? Today, I can just email money (...) (23 years ago, 9-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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