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| | | (...) No, it's been an ongoing thing. And with lot's of variety: assassinations, air raids, rocket attacks, helicopter attacks, cluster bombs, phosphorous bombs, napalm, etc. (...) 100% pure BS and what a way to twist information! Since you admitted (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes: <foam snipped> Suppose I stipulate for the purposes of discussion that everything you allege about Israel is true? WILL you answer my questions publicly or not? Email doesn't count unless I have your (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | | | Here are my answers to Larry's questions regarding the Palestinian Authority. This was previously in an e-mail to him but he was insistant that I respond publicly: (...) I say NO for the simple fact that they regularly condemn terrorist attacks on (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Horst Lehner
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| | | | | Hello Dan, (...) I think you should calm down a bit. I have already said that I don't see the benefit of finding out who is responsible for more terror. The truth is as simple as this: ALL of that has to stop. Period. Nothing else will ever bring (...) (23 years ago, 23-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Debunk this? —David Arnon
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| | | | (...) mark. (...) saying (...) Zulu (...) 53 (...) lying (...) guess (...) militant (...) Oh my God. That's just scary. I'm glad it's not a face to face debate, I have the distinct feeling that by now you would simply hit me. To the rational people (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | (...) Just why would I hit you? What, I'm some sort of bully beating on people? You don't know me so cut the crap. (...) You asked before what the connection was, it's Heigel (sp). The Zionists are from the same fundamental tree as the Nazis-- (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | (...) Judging by your previous comments in this group, you're a hothead that would resort to physical violence. Far past comments, and very recent ones. I think David is just reading your comments for what they are, veiled threats (not so veiled in (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | | | (...) Look who's talking, especially after some of your comments in the debate about handguns. *For those of you that don't know, Tom is referring to one incident when he insisted that he'd treat me rudely in person and my response was "come show (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | (...) resort (...) Disagree. You did basically threaten him because he was rude. (...) (not (...) Agree. Nothing you have said could be taken as even remotely threatening this time around. On the other hand, If I were an Israeli (who believed the (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —David Arnon
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| | | | | | | | | (...) would (...) threats (...) this (...) maybe (...) I'm a very nonviolent person. The only time I can imagine resorting to the use of force is when I'm physically threatened and I can't run away. Up until now I've always managed to avoid the (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | | | | | (...) Okay, if I made threats, then what did I threaten to do to Tom? He was the one who threatened to treat me rudely in person. I thought it was clear that I was calling the barking dog off his porch. And I also thought I made it clear I had no (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | (...) Did I ever threaten any specific person in here with direct violence? No, but I got threatened by cowards. (...) Showing your stripes again - hiding behind insults. I am far from a coward. If something really matters to me, I'll defend (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | | | (...) Who threatened you? Maybe I missed it. (...) I'm not hiding behind anything, I'm here whenever you want to follow through on YOUR OWN statements. Stick to the facts: You got rude, I drew a line, you insisted otherwise, I said prove it, you (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Horst Lehner
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| | | | | Hello Dan, (...) Having the same roots doesn't make things identical. (...) Not for long, though ... (...) That they are not exactly the government of Israel? Greetings Horst (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Well it certainly is not Palestine: (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 25-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Jordan as the Palestinian homeland? Yes or no, please (23 years ago, 27-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) I fear I have allowed myself to be misunderstood. I was a little bemused by that news story – it shows a degree of clumsiness on both sides. However, as Mr Straw was visiting the Middle East to speak Iran, I am sure it was not detrimental to (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) I don't think you have to *read* it to decide if you agree with the general idea or not, that the UN had the power to decide that Palestine was to be partitioned, and designated each partition as a homeland for someone. I'm not sure I agree (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) What is your point? Are you saying the none of the land Israel is on legally belongs to them. I agree that some of it does not, but I am pretty sure some of it does. Scott A (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) What is MY point? My point is that you have no point and you haven't answered the question. (...) So you agree Israel has a right to exist, then? I suspect (but can't confirm since Dan hasn't said) Dan does not feel that way at all. Myself I (...) (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) You did not pose a question(?). What is your point? (...) But what about international law? Why not apply the same rule to settlers in the USA? How fair was the way some them got their land? Scott A (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Really? (...) You didn't answer that question. (...) Still waiting on an answer to that. (...) What about it? (...) We should. (...) It wasn't and it should be undone. Which I have said before. ++Lar (23 years ago, 28-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Oh yes I did. (in a pantomime tone) (...) Indeed, and I have said before it would be a great issue for the LP to work on: (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) I agree that legally Israel does exist and that it is here to stay. I wish they would respect human rights a little more, stop murdering people, respect UN resolutions, hand back what is does not belong top them, get rid of their nuclear (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) I'm an idealist too. Oh, that wasn't what you were asking... I agree with all of that except for the part about the nukes. I know it's accepted wisdom that Israel has some. If they do I think they ought to keep them. At least until we invent a (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) I live in the greatest country in the world. If I moved to a not so good one (say England). Scotland would still be my home. (...) I don't really see myself in those terms. Read the news and you will see that Israel are pretty good at (...) (23 years ago, 29-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) Dan, why don't you agree with their attacking the Israelis? If I were certain that your side of their behavior were the most accurate rendition of what's going on, I would have full support for their violence. When I go down your list of (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | (...) Because violence begets violence, hates begets hate. The only way to overcome it and live in peace is to not play the game. But how can the Palestinians overcome a bunch of racist, exclusionist thugs like the Zionists especially when they are (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —David Arnon
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| | | | | (...) certain (...) my (...) democracy? (...) in (...) of (...) That's ridiculous. (...) - David (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) A lot. Some have passed, and some, as you point out, have been vetoed. I would ask you though, if you think UN resolutions are something to pick and choose from, or whether one has to accept them all. If the latter, does that mean you (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Dave Low
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| | | | (...) A few references Israel's changing border: (URL) Vetoes of UN Resolutions Critical of Israel (URL) general assembly resolutions here: (URL) security council resolutions here: (URL) another perspective -- take it or leave it (URL) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Debunk this? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) him for what he's done well. The interactive historical atlas that this is a part of is pretty amazing... the TOC is here: (URL) is a LOT more there than just the map of Israel that David refers to. I liked some of the animated GIFs best. For (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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