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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jon Furman writes:
> Anthony,
> I 'm posting because I was the person that possibly branded you a
> complainer. I'd like you to read this whole post objectively, so I'd like
> to offer my apology in advance, hoping that you'll see a few things
> differently, and continue to be a part of the lugnet posting community.
I must also offer my own apologies to everyone at Lugnet. Though I do not plan
to continue to post regularly, it was wrong of me to say that everyone here
attributes to Lugnet's problem. However, that does not remove the fact that
Lugnet still has a problem, as I said, this is no way by far an isolated case.
I also must apologize to you, and several other people. I could have delt
with with your posts in a much more calm, civilized manor, but thats what I get
for posting at midnight.
> > No one can have their own opinion if it differs from everyone elses.
>
> In fact, the reasons that all of the folks counterposting are different from
> each other proves that there is room for differing opinions. The issue is
> not with having differing opinions, it's about being able to substantiate
> them. There are a lot of us folks who don't just disagree with your
> opinion, we also think that it doesn't hold up when probed.
There are a few, unfortunately, who disagree and then some. People who go that
extra mile to make me feel as if my opinion either doesn't matter or is not
just wrong but morally wrong.
> > If they do, they are attacked. Read the posts that were in reply to my own,
> > stating my discontent with the re-release of the Castle set the Guarded Inn.
>
> I think that a lot of the responses that we recieve in life, not just
> newsgroups, have to do with how we present ourselves initially. I would
> question the purpose of a post as strong, opinionated, and antagonistic as
> your initial one? Were you expecting to make those bold and sweeping
> statements, that you are perfectly welcomed to make, and not be asked to
> support them? Your header (Re: Worth the wait? (NO!)). is very aggressive.
> I believe that we all thought you were interested in debating this. Most of
> the initial posts question the veracity of your claims. Not your right to
> make them. I've had to eat crow after I've spoken boldly on lugnet. It
> doesn't mean I'm not welcome, or able to offer a different oppinion.
Yes, and I'll eat crow today. But not everyone is told 'good ridence' when
they post like this one i've made. (see other replies to 'Lugnet has a
problem')
> > Because if YOU don't care
> > about what I have to say, then I have no reason to say anything, do I? Don't
> > think this is some isolated case, either. I have stated my opinions all over
> > lugnet, and I am either looked over, ignored, or beaten down.
>
> I think that if we didn't care about what you have to say, no one would have
> replied to your initial post. I'm sorry if you feel like an outcast, I'll
> try harder to look for ways to be inclusive here.
>
> > Forgive me for being me. In all reality, I should never post again, as I • cannot see a really
> > good reason to. But because there are the select few whom I care about here • on
> > lugnet, and they care about me, I would think, I shall not leave entirely. • As
> > for the rest of you, well, I hope God gives you the good graces to understand
> > those who are just a little different than the pack.
>
> It's not that we don't understand you, or think you shouldn't have your own
> opinion, as you keep pointing out, it's that you should be ready to defend
> your opinions beyond the opening rant. the ground you stand on with your
> arguments isn't very firm logically speaking. I haven't seen you address
> the factual issues as of yet. You claimed we didn't read your post, It
> doesn't seem like you've understood ours. It also seems you've
> misunderstood what strong statements you made with little effort made to
> defend them. The fact that there are so many comments made about the same
> problematic statements should show you that the errors you've made in
> judgement are fairly easy to spot.
Like I said, I could have handled the situation and replied much better had I
just took the time to have a good night's sleep. As it was I was already fumed
from some nasty emails I've recieved over several things, such as my posts and
my website. I guess being dubbed 'awful link of the day' comes back to haunt
you from time to time.
> > Because I don't rate that set highly and would rather see another in its
> place,I am branded a 'complainer about all that lego does.'
>
> Here is where I apologise. The day that the surprise was announced, I made
> a prediction that there would be someone who would complain about the set's
> re-release. (I didn't think it would be you, so I wasn't planning on
> assasinating your character) It always happens, no matter what Lego does for
> this "community", someone judges that act based on it's "personal" benefit
> to themselves. This type of behaviour fosters a spirit of dissatisfaction
> within a group, and promotes an image of corporate selfishness in that
> community.
> While I personally get sick of seeing this type of thing among adults, I
> WENT TOO FAR WHEN I POSTED THE SECOND TIME, NAMING YOU THE COMPLAINT WINNER.
> that was very wrong of me, and I understand that it hurt your feelings. You
> are not the biggest whiner or complainer on lugnet, I do not hold any anger
> or negative feelings towards you, and I have appreciated your work and posts
> here on lugnet. It would be a shame to see you leave, over an insensitive
> remark that I am responsible for. I apologise for being rude, and I hope
> that you will accept my apology.
> I really wasn't trying to offend you personally, but I understand that I did.
I thank you for the apology, and accept it.
> I hope that you will read this and see it as not only an effort to help
> clear up a misunderstanding, but also an olive branch and apology.
> sincerely, Jon Furman
Unfortunately however, this does not change my views on Lugnet's problem. Too
often my posts are ignored or looked over or battered, and I am not alone in
feeling that this is wrong. These other people (who's names I will not
divuldge) as well as myself feel that it's pointless to post anything anymore,
unless it's to announce something about our own websites. And so, with the
exception of this post, I shall take my indefinate leave of Lugnet, only coming
back to announce things about my own domain. I'm sure I'll be a hypocrit
sometime in the future and reply to some post, it is inevitable, but on the
whole I shall not.
It was once said that Lugnet is the friendliest place on the internet. Well,
in my true, honest opinion, Lugnet appears to be the friendliest place on the
internet. However, it only appears that way because the only people who post
are those who have kudos to give to others. All those who have differing
oppinions are left to either live in silence or be crucified. I will admit
that people such as the Mad Hatter have done some really bad things to Lugnet,
but I'm sure that if everyone on Lugnet looked back they would see that their
crucifying him only encouraged him to do more bad things. So as I join Mad
Hatter on the crucifix, I must say that Lugnet is no better if not worse, than
every other online community that I have visited. At least elsewhere, they
don't hide behind smiles and praise.
--Anthony
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