 | | Virtues of Veganism? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | (URL) couldn't bear to stick this on the end of rolling blackouts, that thread is out of control sizewise) ++Lar (23 years ago, 4-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | | (...) Hmmm, I don't know what you may have implied by posting that link but it seems like the guy in the comic is suddenly more open minded and aware of the many problems associated with meat and it's consumption. Sounds good to me! If the comic is (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | (...) Where were you a year ago?! We had this shooting match then, and another participant would have been welcome! 8^) (...) It is more interesting to me that this is often a result of economic conditions rather than some prevailing morality. It (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) Nothing, other than I thought it was funny that I ran across that comic right after the topic came up in .debate... which is why I set FUT .fun. Maybe I should have left it on .debate... I've snipped your discussion, below, not because I agree (...) (23 years ago, 4-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Harvey Henkelman
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| | | | | | | (...) I don't believe in killing anything for food, including plants as well! And as for medical experimentations, I believe that people should fit the bill nicely. -Harvey (23 years ago, 5-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Harvey Henkelman
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| | | | | | | | (...) Just kidding on the food part, Venison all the way!! It's the most healthy meat one can eat in my opinion.-Harvey (23 years ago, 5-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —James Brown
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| | | | | | (...) Seemed to me like the comic was more of a jab at the "recent convert" mentality than anything else... :) James (23 years ago, 5-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) That's the way I took it too. I read that strip from the very beginning (it's pretty funny but not for kids), and Indy Rock Pete (the recent convert speaking in this strip) has converted to other very meritorious things, but always managed to (...) (23 years ago, 5-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Steve Lane
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| | | | | (...) (and I'm not to keen on the eating veg part either) :-). (23 years ago, 5-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | (...) Vegetables are what food eats. Dave! (23 years ago, 5-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Matt Brooks
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| | | | | | | | (...) Are you food? (URL) LOVE this comic strip. It is fairly cute! (23 years ago, 5-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Steve Lane
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| | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.fun, Matt Brooks writes: When the aliens arrive they won't say 'Take me to your Leader' they will of course say: (...) I think you become food when something that can eat you, catches you. (...) I couldn't agree more. Steve (23 years ago, 5-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) Sure I am, in the right circumstances, and so are you! Dave! (23 years ago, 5-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Actually, I'm probably more like a potential stomach disorder... Bruce (23 years ago, 5-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Matt Brooks
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| | | | | | | | (...) Actually, looking back.... I've been quite a meal for a few.... (23 years ago, 5-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | (...) If it's wrong to eat animals, then why are they made of meat? Can Vegetarians eat animal crackers? ~Grand Admiral Muffin Head (23 years ago, 5-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | (...) Hmmm, yeah I see what you mean but I sense the people of these countries share a deeper connection with the land (they do tend to be farmers) so they're is that respect for nature. (...) Precisely, like in Japan and look at their alarming rise (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | (...) I'd be a fool to deny that there's a connection, but I wonder if other newly-acquired habits have likewise contributed to this rise. For instance (and I ask both rhetorically and because I don't know), how has the incidence of cigarette (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | (...) That's a good idea! I remember a segment on "20/20" regarding the modern Japanese lifestyle, particularly Tokyo businessmen. Yeah, I do believe they mentioned more cigarette smoking, LONG ass-kicking hours at stressful jobs (away from family), (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | (...) I think this is a pretty one-sided analysis. All of those are cofactors and I think it would be pretty much an exercise in futility to try to say that one is the main culprit and the others are merely exacerbations. Something that an analysis (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | (...) But you must admit that you're reasoning from anecdotal evidence. Is recycling bad just because some communities (like mine, until recently) drop the ball? From previous exchanges I gather that you have no objection to recycling, in itself; (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | | | | | Here's some online info I found about that pilot whale massacre I mentioned: (URL) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Having spent 10 years in the Penn State environment, wherein people leap to protest the slightest perceived injustice, I'm stunned that no one ever mentioned this, even at the ridiculous annual Earth Day merchandising bonanzas. Thank you for (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Yeah, it makes me wonder how much of the support of these very important environmental and ethical issues comes from genuine interest, and how much is just trendy, something-to-do fadism that comes and goes. In my opinion, all support is (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | | What's sick is that 51% of voters say it should continue simply because it's a tradition! (...) -- | Tom Stangl, iPlanet Web Server Technical Support | Netscape Communications Corp | A division of AOL Time Warner | iPlanet Support - (URL) Please do (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | | | | | (...) Shameful. Still, that's a pretty close margin of support. Let's hope the voter support for the "Grind" keeps going down. Dan (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | | | (...) Heart disease (arteriosclerosis) is characterized by the blockage and hardening of arteries in the body by cholesterol. Therefore, red meat IS the main culprit because of it's rich cholesterol content. Red meat was not a big part of the (...) (23 years ago, 7-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Christopher Tracey
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| | | | | | (...) I've seen the cycle Dan describes many times. (...) I think what Chris means is that a lot of stuff that we put out at the curb to recycle is actually landfilled if there is no market for it. 'Recycled' newspapers are commonly discarded in (...) (23 years ago, 10-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) I don't know the conspiracy side of it at all, but it make head head feel like an over ripe walnut waiting to explode. I just can't drink diet bevs, etc. Mostly I drink water and whole juices, so it's not really problem, but I do occasionally (...) (23 years ago, 10-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Christopher Tracey
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| | | | | | (...) I mostly drink water and juice (and root beer). I can drink a coke every so often, but pepsi makes me sick.I don't know why. My mother was a diet coke drinker/diet food consumer until just a few years ago when she started to get severe migrine (...) (23 years ago, 10-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Christopher Tracey
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| | | | Sorry for the delay in replying. (...) Here's an interesting stat from (URL) thirty-five countries surveyed in 1991, the United States cardiovascular death rate ranked 17th for both males and females. The highest death rates were in the Soviet (...) (23 years ago, 10-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | (...) I have had that response on a number of occasions too. I doubt that they think their diet is less moral (though I have had someone sort-of admit that (here!)). I think that they are concerned that you're going to get all self-righteous on them (...) (23 years ago, 10-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | (...) Humans certainly are sometimes pretty ridiculous. We've created a culture where people feel it is important to meet other peoples definitions of what's right that we don't even think about what we are doing and why we do it. On a similar note, (...) (23 years ago, 10-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Christopher Tracey
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| | | | | | (...) I definately agree with you about their response being a defense against attacks but I perceive something deeper in some people. I think it's those who say "I wish I could but I just can't." I don't know if they consider themseleves weaker or (...) (23 years ago, 10-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | (...) What kinds of conferences (this sentence just struck me as thinking of the types of conferences I attend which would have a "snack counter" which are Unitarian Universalist conferences, just wondering if we've got another UU here). (...) Boy, (...) (23 years ago, 10-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Christopher Tracey
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| | | | | | (...) Ecological Conferences and the like. Maybe I should have said snack table instead of counter. :) The UUs are helping out with a project we are working on in Toledo. It's good to have their help. (...) WHat can I say, i was hungary. :) -chris (23 years ago, 10-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | (...) Shhh...don't tip him off about the *conspiracy*...the awful, terrible humanistic conspiracy! <Insert Pat Robertson here> :) Which Toledo congregation, Chris? (I'm from a Detroit one, myself, so I know a few of 'em from YAC/YRUU cons way back.) (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | (...) That's weird. Do you think the readers thought that the "organic" thing was being overdone? I think some things WERE overdone back in the days, like the big fiber kick in the late 70's. Stuff like that contributed to the stereotype of the tree (...) (23 years ago, 10-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Virtues of Veganism? —Christopher Tracey
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| | | | (...) As a child I thought the same thing. I did have a cool aunt who was vegetarian(but she eat meat on pizza???) which made me think some vegetarians were cool. (...) One of my outspoken vegan friends aquired a farm that came with chickens. He now (...) (23 years ago, 10-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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