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Re: Virtues of Veganism?
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Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:28:09 GMT
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Christopher Weeks wrote:
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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher Tracey writes:
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> > I'm not equating vegetarianism with morality here, but I frequently have
> > had the experiance of someone finding out my dietary habits and then
> > getting at what I perceive to be defensive about their own (typically
> > meateating). I'm curious if they think that their diet is less moral?
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> I have had that response on a number of occasions too. I doubt that they
> think their diet is less moral (though I have had someone sort-of admit that
> (here!)). I think that they are concerned that you're going to get all
> self-righteous on them about it. Even I have encountered obnoxious
> vegetarians who really put me off in their rude zealousy. If people expect
> us to act like that too, then it's no wonder they seem to have a chip on
> their shoulder. I think I do a good job of defusing that kind of reaction.
I definately agree with you about their response being a defense against
attacks but I perceive something deeper in some people. I think it's
those who say "I wish I could but I just can't." I don't know if they
consider themseleves weaker or what... maybe I'm way off base here.
> > was developing an organic food standard (2-3 years ago). Articles about
> > organic food were present in every issue of the magazine for a while.
> > I've seen many letters to the editor in the magazine from readers who
> > are dismayed about the trend and just want articles about food.
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> I don't get VT anymore, but it seems to me like the organic foods movement
> and vegetarianism are quite related. They seem linked by both health and
> morality concerns.
I see the health concerns, but I'm not sure that organic foods are more
moral by
> > What I dislike are the "I'm a vegetarian, but I eat chicken(or other
> > non-veg product)" people.
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> I was at a pary once when dietary restrictions came up in conversation
> around the grill (where I had brown-sugared vidalia onions...yum!) and a
> young woman who was about to graduate with her degree in biochemistry and
> enter grad school, while eating a loaded hot dog (all-beef frank, to be
> specific), told me that she was a vegetarian too. The conversation stopped
> for a minute, people looked around at one another, and then another topic
> resumed. It was pretty funny. But I've had a number of people tell me they
> were vegetarians too but meant that they eat only fish and plants. Weird!
When my wife was in school, her and her roommates would hold cookouts
during the summer. Her house consisted of vegetarians and meateaters
and a one party a vegan guest took a bite of a real hot dog and not the
not-dog that they wanted. After that they only served the veggie dogs
as a consensus decision. noone seemed to mind.
> > The word 'vegetarian' used to mean what
> > 'vegan' means today, yet it was quickly diluted by vegetarians eating
> > cheese and milk.
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> Yeah...how did that happen? When it matters, I state clearly that I'm an
> ovo-lacto vegetarian.
I'm not sure I'm parsing your question exactly.
> > Some time ago it got the new defination (at least by
> > the general public) as eating vegetables and the occasional bit of
> > chicken or fish. Last year, someone I knew refered to her friends as
> > 'vegan's but they eat cheese.' The cycle starts again. :/
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> Ack!
I guess I'm guilty also. In the vegan world there exists a food
definition that dilutes veganism. It's called Free-gan and as the name
implies if food is free then it is vegan. I don't think it applies to
steak though. I mainly use it if I'm at a conference and starving and
all they have at the snack counter is muffins or something. I think I
only resort to that level two or three times a year though.
> I ate at a vegan restaurant last week and they had two opportunities on the
> menu for you to specially request a cheese on a dish. My co-diner was a bit
> freaked out, but I guess it didn't bother me. Nothing on the menu was
> prepared non-vegan by default.
I ate a vegetarian restaurant (Seva in Ann Arbor) three weeks ago and
they mistakingly put cheese on the dish I order which oddly enough
wasn't supposed to have cheese on it at all. That one threw me for a
loop.
-chris
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| (...) What kinds of conferences (this sentence just struck me as thinking of the types of conferences I attend which would have a "snack counter" which are Unitarian Universalist conferences, just wondering if we've got another UU here). (...) Boy, (...) (23 years ago, 10-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I have had that response on a number of occasions too. I doubt that they think their diet is less moral (though I have had someone sort-of admit that (here!)). I think that they are concerned that you're going to get all self-righteous on them (...) (23 years ago, 10-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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