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(...) Well, BYU is a private school. But like any big school they get all kinds of financial kickbacks from the state and the city of Provo, as well as outright funding. So while they don't have the force of law behind them, they do have the force (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahhh, yes, you referenced pilgrims and after reading that section I forgot and thought you said Puritans. My mistake. (...) far (...) categorize (...) It cuts both ways - they were religions that decided they needed to compete and have (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Wow, I think this is my first post to .debate... <snipped a bunch of stuff> (...) Well said. :) I've enjoyed reading your responses; keep up the good work. Joel (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree and have said nothing to the contrary. (...) Very true, but not all "pilgrims" were puritans. (...) It was far more than that, and the greek bible had little to do with Greek Orthodoxy at this point in time. The ante-nicene and (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(I hope this formats OK when I submit it) Toto, I think we're in Kansas... (...) I've read most of the supposedly "scientific" Creationist literature, and nowhere is the necessary connection between belief in a director or architect ("theistic (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <major, almost indiscriminate snippage> (...) That is as distorted and inaccurate a phrase as saying the christian code of behaviour is "do what the priest says". (...) If morality is not objective, then it is subjective, and only as (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't see that interpretation. He says nothing of endorsing, he mentions observing moral precepts accepted by all religions - which I also mentioned in my original comments: (...) The ten commandments are a concise example of these basic (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) total laugh out loud!! my kids have practically memorized the script for all three of the wallace and gromit vids. ..joseph g (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Major snippage fore and aft. Which is not to say the other things you had to say weren't interesting, or whether I agree with them or not, it's just that this is the only one I wanted to comment on. The Roman Empire started with high ideals - (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Creationism is actually very scientific. Many secular scientists have become christians precisely because their findings lead them to the conclusion that everything is too complex to be accidental. I have a few books I could mail to you that (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do it here among friends. :-) That's what we're here for. I read your post but not all the replies. I'll try to be brief but know this, I wish more christians were like you (and Frank). (...) Would that the Christian Reformed(1) church (or (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) men, (...) fled (...) anything. (...) I think Frank has answered succinctly about the founding fathers' views on religion. No particular religion is to be advanced over another. The Puritans were doing their best to persecute other religions, (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I suggest anyone who wants more insight into what the founding fathers intended, check out this site: (URL) particular reference to the posting of the Ten Comandments, here is one little quote from the article on relion: (...) To me this suggests (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hear, hear. Creationism isn't science, it's a tool for making converts to Christianity. Similarly, posting the Ten Commandments in schools proclaims that authority comes from god ("thou shalt have no other gods before me"). I just want to make (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yep, that's the one. I've never thought about it as near Harrod's, but I guess it is! (...) You're not kidding! I suppose they figure that if you come rolling down the hill, you oughta be able to just aim and shoot up the ramp. Nice to think (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm a Mormon as well, but a "bad" one, in that I don't attend church and have serious issues with some of their policies and beliefs. However, I see nothing wrong with : (1) a Legislature that accurately reflects the majority of the populace (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) steps (...) Well spoken Jeremy, there is no such thing as Constitutional separation of church and state. The Constitution merely states that the government cannot restrict the free exercise of religion. Now this does have its limits, the (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I somehow feel obligated to chime on this topic. I too am a "Mormon" and am never surprised at the level of ignorance that often surfaces as evidenced on slashdot. Generally speaking, most "Mormons" have pretty thick skin when it comes to criticism (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've heard that as well... I suspect it's an urban legend (or whatever the SF equivalent is?), but only they know for sure, and I don't think they're telling. (...) The Church of $cientology, as Hubbard set it up, is (also IMHO) seriously (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, at least one large room, the chapel, is required for Sunday services. In this room (which can vary in size depending upon the local membership) the Sacrament meeting is performed, and typically there are a small handful of (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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