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Morality again...(was Re: Mormon bashing again)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:31:51 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bill Farkas writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Erik Olson writes:
<major, almost indiscriminate snippage>
> > who denies everything. But it only means you don't believe in any gods
> > at all. There is no such thing as an "Atheist code of behavior" and
> > you can't lump all your enemies together with such a word.
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> My intent was to paint the picture with a broad brush. There is no "official"
> atheist code of behavior, but it IS pretty much do what you want.
That is as distorted and inaccurate a phrase as saying the christian code of
behaviour is "do what the priest says".
> > Still, religionists believe that there is no way to have morality without a
> > god. This has to challenged.
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> That was my previous point and it is valid. If morality does not come from an
> objective point beyond ourselves, then it is entirely of our own making and
> subject to the tyranny of a majority and/or the might of the powerful. History
> has proven that powerful people with little or no morals WILL dominate the
> weak. History has also proven that if a well intentioned system is allowed to
> decay it will end in nearly the same chaos. The Roman Empire started with high
> ideals and ended in total depravity. Even the theocracy of Israel collapsed
> many times due to immorality.
If morality is not objective, then it is subjective, and only as manipulable
as we allow it to be. I would suggest that what you are calling morality in
the above examples is in fact, ethics - a system of rules for conduct and
behavior, commonly agreed upon by a group.
(your phrase, seperation and emphasis mine)
--> Morality must originate outside of ourselves
--> - there can be no other source
--> - otherwise everything is a house of cards easily toppled.
How does this follow? I don't remotely see the connection.
I'll concede, for the sake of argument, that there is a universal code of
morality that applies to all human beings. Where is it? What is it? How was
it made known? Does it change over time? How is it determined that what
person X claims as moral is "true" and what person Y claims as moral is
"false"?
James
http://www.shades-of-night.com/lego/
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