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Re: Mormon bashing again
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Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:17:05 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bill Farkas writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Patricia Schempp writes:
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> > Oh...don't get me started on separation of church and state. Some recent
> > steps in this country like posting the ten commandments in schools and
> > teaching creationism are complete violations of this in my opinion.
Hear, hear.
Creationism isn't science, it's a tool for making converts to
Christianity. Similarly, posting the Ten Commandments in schools
proclaims that authority comes from god ("thou shalt have no
other gods before me").
I just want to make some quick points in the "off-topic" record:
"Atheism" is a straw man. It is usually used to mean Nihilist--someone
who denies everything. But it only means you don't believe in any gods
at all. There is no such thing as an "Atheist code of behavior" and
you can't lump all your enemies together with such a word. Still,
religionists believe that there is no way to have morality without a
god. This has to challenged. But most "secular humanist" philosophies are
just religious ideas wrapped up in fancy words to edit out god--so they
are still based on faith, and especially self-sacrifice. This, too, is a
mistake.
I think that most Christians are aware of only two alternatives, either
their tradition or the kind of empty-headed bureaucrat world pictured
by C.S. Lewis (in _That Hideous Strength_ for example.)
The religious roots of the US are not the cause of the US as you claim they are.
American ideals were, and are, this-worldly, secular, happy and self-reliant,
not mystical, humble, or dogmatic. Washington and Jefferson are a long way
from the Pilgrims (who recreated much of what they supposedly escaped.)
The US is a result of Enlightenment political philosophy, which was an
outgrowth of the scientific world view--not the Bible. If you read the letters
of the Founding Fathers, there is not a whole lot of religion there. Instead,
they are peppered with "treasonous" statements like "My mind is my own church"
Finally, who came up with this dumb analogy? This really gets around:
Bill wrote:
> things like Columbine? Animals do these types of things. It's normal for
> animals to do these types of things.
Silly. Animals kill weaker animals to eat them! Stop calling the
animals sinful, too. It's right for the lions to eat the lambs, but animals
are not suicidal maniacs.
-Erik
P.S. I might have had something relevant to Mormons but I forgot what it was.
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| (...) Creationism is actually very scientific. Many secular scientists have become christians precisely because their findings lead them to the conclusion that everything is too complex to be accidental. I have a few books I could mail to you that (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Actually, back on the farm, we had a couple of roosters who wanted to kill each other. Not for the purpose of eating each other, but for control, I think. They would fight to the death if we'd let them. (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Like it or not the ten commandments had a lot to do with the foundation of our entire way of life in this country. They are a historical example of a great legal system, just as Hammurabi's code. This country was founded by people who accepted (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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