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  Re: codifying marriage on biblical principles
 
(...) Please, let's be honest. WHO is making gay marriage an election issue? Who is driving this issue and pushing it to confrontation? JOHN (21 years ago, 8-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Couple of interesting screeds from a site I just found
 
(...) Huh? If he supports any Republican besides Bush, I'd give some creedance to this article. But the assertion that "Republicans" would vote for Kerry over Bush doesn't parse, and thus the "Anybody but Bush" is simply ignorant. JOHN (21 years ago, 8-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  codifying marriage on biblical principles
 
Despite being a big fan of Simon Hoggart’s parliamentary sketches, I am not so keen on his weekend column. However, I did enjoy this: (URL) Holy matrimony: the authorised version> As George Bush tries to make gay marriage a key election issue, a (...) (21 years ago, 7-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Couple of interesting screeds from a site I just found
 
Republicans Who Support 'Anybody But Bush' (URL) lawbreaking attorney general (URL) (21 years ago, 5-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Is Nader really a threat to Democracy?
 
"Tom Stangl, VFAQman" <talonts@vfaq.com> wrote in message news:40405999.BF54E7...faq.com... (...) truly (...) How many Electoral votes did Nader get? Those are the ones that really matter. I don't think he got "millions of votes". He only got (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Is Nader really a threat to Democracy?
 
(...) None of those got millions of votes last election. That level of votes truly *is* a vote for Bush. (...) Or to anyone that doesn't want Bush in power again, regardless of their party or non-party affiliation. (...) He should have been easy to (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Is Nader Really a Threat to Democracy?
 
"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> wrote in message news:HtrMwH.7KL@lugnet.com... (...) community (...) of (...) represent (...) then I (...) Many of my fellow employees are shareholders. They benefit when the company benefits. The (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Is Nader really a threat to Democracy?
 
"Tom Stangl, VFAQman" <talonts@vfaq.com> wrote in message news:403FA430.A8B67C...faq.com... (...) really (...) haven't (...) a (...) vote (...) Yeah, and... ...a vote for the Libertarian candidate is a vote for Bush... ...a vote for the Socialist (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Commanche helicopter
 
(...) Taken from dictionary.com: "Muskets, rifles, carbines, and fowling pieces are smaller guns, for hand use, and are called small arms. Larger guns are called cannon, ordnance, fieldpieces, carronades, howitzers, etc. See these terms in the (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Is Nader Really a Threat to Democracy?
 
(...) I think I disagree with this argument. Corporations represent their shareholders, not their employees. Would you complain if some other place goes beyond tax incentives and actually pays the company to relocate elsewhere, without you? The (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Is Nader Really a Threat to Democracy?
 
"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> wrote in message news:Htr6A9.1wy9@lugnet.com... (...) I think pork-barrel spending leads to corruption, but all hail the community so noble that they refuse to accept it. The lobbiests are at the root (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Commanche helicopter
 
"Mladen Pejic" <mladenpejic@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:Htnx0M.4Ex@lugnet.com... (...) by (...) (URL) This> is one of the articles I found using Google. (...) shaped-charge (...) thin (...) example (...) critical (...) Vietnam (...) could (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Have You Been Proselytized Lately???
 
(...) Hmm. This sounds just like what happened here in Scotland after Braveheart (another Mel Gibson film) was released. ;-) Scott A (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Commanche Helicopter
 
(...) “Besieged” by whom? Jordan? Egypt? Lebanon? Syria? Israel is a regional superpower whose current position is in no small part due to it's belligerence, nationalism and greed for land. I have no respect for the IDF; it does not take courage to (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Is Nader really a threat to Democracy?
 
(...) Get real. You're deluding yourself. A vote for Nader at this point is *a vote for Bush*. Keep voting indirectly for Bush. But don't whine if GWB gets reelected and continues hauling the US into a decline that may take decades to reverse. I (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Is Nader really THAT stupid, or just a secret lapdog of GWB?
 
(...) Hey, that reminds me of something I occasionally think about. Since all politicians are corrupt, but they're all we have to work with, what works best? Two parties that may both marginally represent an insignificant portion of your interests, (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Commanche helicopter
 
"Steven lane" <steveroblane@aol.com> wrote in message news:Htnw4x.23p8@lugnet.com... (...) just need (...) My apologies, I was responding to Scott A. (...) funding (...) from that (...) While heat seeking missiles can be countered with more complex (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Is Nader really THAT stupid, or just a secret lapdog of GWB?
 
"Scott A" <dr_scott_arthur@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:HtJ8tJ.uAt@lugnet.com... (...) Kerry a "grass roots Democrat"? Whatever that means... (...) Camp (...) ...because it's all about revenge and unlawful imprisonment. Too bad they don't (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Have You Been Proselytized Lately???
 
The media has been doing a lot of talk lately since the opening of "The Passion of the Christ" but something happened to me the other day and am wondering if anyone else has seen this "more often than usual" since the film opened. I use public (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Is Nader really a threat to Democracy?
 
"Tom Stangl, VFAQman" <talonts@vfaq.com> wrote in message news:4039AC44.FA1D7E...faq.com... (...) If you look at the two states where the Bush/Gore decision was narrow, you'll find that even if Nader hadn't run, the non-Dem non-Rep votes for fringe (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Commanche helicopter
 
(...) Yeah. You're so right! Now let's drop this. Mladen (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Commanche Helicopter
 
(...) Please, enough blood has been spilled in that area that the blame game becomes irrelevant. I was simply referring to the performance of the Israelis during the numerous wars they had since Israel's statehood. For such a small group of men and (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Commanche helicopter
 
(...) That's incredible. I found you reply equally laughable. Being immature isn't so hard to do. Eh? (seriously, what you typed was lame, but I forgive you) :-D (...) Listen, I live in Canada, and our military did not participate in Iraq. Whether (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Commanche Helicopter
 
(...) Israel’s fine soldiers certainly do a good job shooting women & children. Do they get medals for that? (...) I'm not sure about their tanks, but know they lack "nukes". (...) Correct! We have nothing to prove. Scott A (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Commanche helicopter
 
(...) As Miguel suggests, I think you are just used to the biased reporting you get in the USA. The BBC Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Commanche helicopter
 
(...) (URL) is one of the articles I found using Google. (...) I dunno what this is about. Sorry. :-( (...) Armoured is a poor word on my part. I should have saied protected. For example the Boeing claims that the "Apache" is resistant to 12.7mm (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Commanche helicopter
 
(...) No I didn't, Neb, you've cleaned out all my words but not my name, you just need to be a bit more careful with the >'s. (...) And there's no such system as an RPG missile defence system, but apart from that I liked your post. Steve (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Commanche helicopter
 
(...) I totally agree. Also, the British government recently employed Lord Hutton to chair an inquiry into the BBC's behaviour and came up with a complete whitewash of a report besmirching the BBC's good name. Steve (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Commanche helicopter
 
"Mladen Pejic" <mladenpejic@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:HtLFG1.1nsJ@lugnet.com... (...) and (...) and (...) I'm not aware of any cases where military helicopters have been downed by handheld rifles and machine guns. The RPG's seem to work (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Commanche helicopter
 
(...) I was trying real hard not to post. But this is outright laughable. When you say that the BBC is/was biased, are you taking into account that pretty much throughout the whole recent war in Iraq a full ONE THIRD of the *American public* (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Commanche Helicopter
 
(...) Again, you're missing the point. The "Comanche" is meant to fight in an electronic-warface environment against TANKS! Even before that, it is a reconnaissance helicopter... Meaning it tries to avoid engagements and simply watches the enemy. (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Commanche Helicopter
 
(...) I know enough about the Commanche. It is stealthier, with a much reduced noise signature, it's also smaller. If it's less detectable and harder to hit then it's got to be better. And I did say it should be reworked for today's missons. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Commanche helicopter
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Marc Nelson, Jr. wrote: -snip- (...) Thanks for the link, I don't follow navy news as much as I should. I have a soft spot for submarines, mainly because I believe they are the "true" (nuclear) deterrent. However, with (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Commanche helicopter
 
(...) snip (...) Good stuff. Hopefully Rumsfeld will cancel the F-22 as well. And why exactly do we need (URL) thirty new attack subs>? Thanks for the links about the XM-8. Marc Nelson Jr. (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Commanche Helicopter
 
(...) No! Germany has no nukes. I got a little carried away. I just love their Leopord tanks. :-) (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Commanche helicopter
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote: -snip- (...) I take that back actually. I am just cautious when I talk about the BBC. Come you, even you have to admit that their reporting of Gulf War II, and the fallout from it, was biased. (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Commanche Helicopter
 
(...) Dude, do you even know anything about the "Comanche"? It is a scout/attack helicopter. The "Apache" and "Cobra" can both carry more weapons than it, and the "Kiowa" is still capable as a scout platform. Why waste more money on this clearly (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Is Nader really THAT stupid, or just a secret lapdog of GWB?
 
(...) Given that Kerry is supposed to be a grass roots Democrat, I agree. If NR stands against the Democrats in marginal constituencies I hope Kerry puts him in Camp Delta (preferably in the same cell as Bush) when he wins ;-) Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Commanche helicopter
 
(...) a cold war weapon. (...) What makes you say that? Scott A (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Bush 'bending science to his political needs'
 
(...) (URL) Bush 'bending science to his political needs'> ==+== The Bush administration is guilty of misrepresenting scientific knowledge and misleading the public, a group of America's most senior scientists claimed yesterday. They said the (...) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)


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