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(...) Well, maybe you could come close. I've seen you use "arrant nonsense"(1) in a sentence before, haven't I? (...) Tool or fool, but not cool. 1 - one of my favorite phrasings (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's look at the exact wuote then, shall we?(seeing as how it;s right at the end of the article, it's pretty easy to find...) " I am not comparing the U.S. to Nazi Germany. But one does begin to understand in all this how the Germans, another (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes, precisely. Chris (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And then go on to compare the US to Nazi Germany! Huh? JOHN (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) People seem to have to state that these days if they start talking about the US administration leading the people down the primrose path, hyping up the 'terror alerts'. Funny how the comparison is, well, not an exact fit, as hardly any (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I particularly liked "I am not comparing the U.S. to Nazi Germany." Chris (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) couldn't have said it better. There is that old adage--let history be the judge. I wonder, in 100 years what will history think of Dubya? Dave K (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nuts to that. I have you on record agreeing with me, so that's the end of it! 8^P (...) Not personal responsibility, but the particular framing of the parent/child contract. Larry gave a better alternative breakdown than I provided, so I'll (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Marriage is also a formal statement of interpersonal committment, and the legal recognition of marriage entitles the spouse to benefits and responsibilities not available to non-spouses. (...) No need for that; many same-sex couples already (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, though I remember things being a bit crowded, but obviously the only way I was remotely going to get any sleep was to share the couch... (...) have (...) I don't remember many details. I was trying to put him to bed in his room. I'm (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So this is an interesting example, because the negative effects are pretty well understood, and the costs of an alternative are pretty well understood. Of course what may not be so understood is how many other substances can cause fatal (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The answer is obvious. There are not enough of them around in these parts. I suspect they tend to live in warmer climates. Don (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Out of curiosity, why do you think we haven't passed compulsory nudity laws for those neurotics who are afraid of clothing? Chris (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, I've heard all about microwave cookbooks. Scott A (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You're almost right here, but you're doing things in the wrong order. Heal the sick people of their neuroses first. Then strike down the no longer needed laws designed to protect them from the consequences of these neuorses. (...) How can you (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And not only that, but it was home-cooked and not McDonald's! (the shame) (...) Touche;-) (...) I'm sure it won't be for the lack of trying;-) JOHN (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is improbable, but not impossible. Surely, the key must then be that you should have the respect of your kids before you encounter your extreme life-or-death scenario? We don’t share the same culture or kids, but for me beating children is (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Your misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that I should wake up tomorrow and all the laws regarding marriage will be stricken from the books. Just as cutting off one's arm to stem a minor infection would be bad, so to would instantainiously (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK. I think you're right... hacking isn't the right approach for the "final answer". however, as a hacker myself, there's value in hacking. If a few states go through various permutations on this (Ohio, I hear is about to do a very restrictive (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I, at least, would like you to enumerate a handful of these problems. I am now getting the feeling that I misinterpretted your concern (though I just posted a note based on my potential misunderstanding). Chris (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree. Orion is almost implying that infertile individuals should not marry. ;) (...) You've not met my wife. ;) Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But you're making a ridiculous comparison. An action by a person that produces a substantially unhealthy state for others is very different than one who does not. The occurrances of people reacting to the sight of a naked body, even a (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok. But what do you propose to replace the dependent support systems tied into those marriage laws you'd like to obliterate? Take your time because there's a lot of details that need to be worked out. Don (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My contention I that we should do away with marriage laws all together. Government has no business dictating what does or does not constitute a marriage. This dicision is up to the individuals concerned and the life choice they decide to make. (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You mean you don't eat dinner in front of the TV! What kind of parent are you? Next you'll be saying you eat around the same table and talk to each another! You degenerate! ;-) The JJ incident you mention was reported with astonishment on the (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't think any one definition fits all situations. Look at the peanuts on airplanes issue. Apparently these peanuts cause an extreme amount of suffering for a rather small number of people. The relativly light pain caused to others by (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Must have been a big couch! How did your nephew lead into the fit without reminding you of what he was seeking? I think I'm not getting part of the situation. Also, what would have been his alternative sleeping arangements? Was it eye-opening only (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I read your post after I posted my reply to Orion, but I think we're almost on the same page here. I guess the difference is that I see the ongoing hacks to the marriage laws as doing more harm than good. However, we are rapidly approaching (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why do you draw the line at 2 people? And for that matter, why not allow 6 year olds to marry if they decide to. Like I said, the law is never going to be perfect. I just don't see how the proposed modifications to current marriage laws make (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry, I did think that Nik was a courteous young man. And I don't mean to suggest that you can not get acceptable, even good, results in turning a child into an adult with corporal punishment as a tool. I was spanked. I'm OK. But I do question how (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So I agree that unfettered democracy is evil. I think what Orion is asking you is for a definition of "enough people." I'm curious too. (...) I think there is a degree of behavior that could be called impinging on your freedom, but simply (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I went to bed thinking about this last night. I think I've overstated my agreement. Do you think the notion of personal responsibility (as a valuable more) is "at its essence arbitrary?" I am led to my parent/child debt structure by the twin (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...with laughter. Whatever it was, this is certain: JJ is a pathetic, over-the-hill rock star trying to grasp at one last moment in the spotlight by exposing her middle-aged boob. Move on, JJ. The youth-worshipping culture of Rock'N Roll is (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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What follows is not my best writing... I used a lot of that up today working on deliverables for my client and for BrickFest PDX. But it's a great topic and I wanted to take one more swing before I went to bed... (...) I know Chris didn't completely (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) FYI, while I didn't see the show, I saw a page on the Drudge Report on it (my only exposure to it). It wasn't a pastie. Pasties cover. It was a nipple-sunburst jewelry piece. Matt's page was incorrect - the nipple was NOT covered, it was (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) With adoption, artificial insemination, host mothers, etc, it's hard to make the argument that "gay marriages can't produce progeny" a meaningful argument any more, in my view. Where I think we still have work to do is on the number... why (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree in the sense the government recognized marriage is useless. Marriage in the sense of 2 people deciding to spend the rest of their lives together and possibly raise offspring is fine. -Orion (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. Check out what "Pure Democracy is Evil" has to say about majority rule. I love the silly quotes at the bottom. (URL) The problem with your argument is that it implies all laws are bad (...) Agreed. Except for one small detail. You don't (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed. Once the child has become recalcitrant, simple, calm reason is often a waste. I like to look at the child's recalcitrance the same way I look at crime, though, and try to prevent it rather than merely responding. A healthy dose of Good (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Isn't that a majority? (...) I'm saying that laws that infringe on one's personal freedom's are wrong. The Principle of Life Ownership states: "I own my own life. I can do whatever I want to with it. This is a right that I take for myself. No (...) (21 years ago, 5-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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