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(...) Uh, I wouldn't put it quite that way. Jesus was from God as no other had been before or since. Only One from God who would know God's nature would be able to reveal God to us (now this "us" could be interpreted as "the Jews" and then to the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well in the past I have argued against that. My thinking in this area is not all that well formed but I tend to favor strict liability, and in general, a weakening of what corporations (as opposed to individuals) can legally do and what powers (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course if the great intellect Richard Marchetti doesn't see any good in something, then there *isn't* any good in it and you all should obey his request. Do not, I repeat, do not try and think for yourselves. A greater intellect is at work (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, of course not. Not for a country whose citizens voted George W. Bush into office. Maggie C. (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wait a second. I thought the unifying belief of "Christians" was in the divinity of Jesus Christ--unless something has changed, and groups like the Unitarians are now "acceptable" to the bulk of Christianity as Christian faiths (not that (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahhhh. Interesting. Then it is irrelevant whether you accept Christ as God (avatar of God?) in relation to whether you are a Christian or not? That's my own opinion, but I suspect the majority of those that describe themselves as Christians (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dave! and all: I ask that you stop responding to John Neal's posts. I can't see that there is any good in it. I just hope that the members of other countries that may see Neal's excretory texts realize that his is only one kind of minority view in (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right. But don't forget that 16 is essentially null and void -- it's a pretense of a new kind of tax when there are only two kinds of taxes: direct and indirect. See: (URL) in mind that I am of the political belief that a tax upon wages is a (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The nature of Jesus: God or man? Man or God? The early church struggled with this question and came up with a seemingly impossible conclusion: fully man AND fully God. The meaning or understanding of this is impossible and has led to many (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please do clarify. In the absence of a unifying belief, we're back to the point of saying "Xtians are those who say they're Xtians." Are you comfortable with that categorization? You and Mr. Koresh and Ms. Yates and Mr. Buchannan and Mr. (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In loo of that point I see if I can refrain. (...) You are wrong. Maybe more on that later. (...) At this point it wouldn't matter. The resurrection is a faith-based event. (...) *I* am the one who ironically brought the atheists into the (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, I withdraw my sharp rejoinder. But I hasten to add that it may be unwise to engage in name-based wordplay if one's name is John. (...) Well, it would seem to me that a professed Xtian would have to believe, at least nominally, in the (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :-) Mine was a wordplay on "Schuler". The dirty dealer meant no harm... (...) Belief in *what exactly* about Christ? This is an extremely contentious issue among Christians. (...) Dave!! That is what *RM* did to Christianity, Jews, and (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John... Please, PLEASE fix your line wrapping messes when you post. Either fix them by hand or get a better posting tool. Here is an example - start - that I think (...) - end - See that first line? It should have a ">" in front of it just like the (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This wasn't even your baldest assertion-- it was your characterization of Christianity as a group of homicidal innocent butcherers. Plus, I didn't want to go all "scoolboy" "Schoolboy" was a word play on Dave's last name-- I'm not sure what (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Easy there, zealot. (...) How about an alleged belief in Christ? That seems like a binding factor that unites Andrea Yates, Torquemada, Emperor Constantine, David Koresh, Mother Theresa, and Padre Pio, regardless of the different (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's bull, Chris. Look at RM's reply to my question that *started* this whole thing: Me: What term would *you* use for a homicidal, innocent-butchering group who believes that they are acting on behalf of God? RM: Xtians? Richard was (...) (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's not really my job to assign guilt to you. That's up to you. I feel vaguely uneasy about sitting by and paying taxes when my government(s) do wrong. And I feel like guilt is virtually always shared by the people involved in some mishap. (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I just wanted to see what it felt like to make bald assertions like the troll, John. Plus, I didn't want to go all "scoolboy" on you since I know you value your ignorance so much. DOG forbid you should learn anything, including the error of (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Replace "Christians" with any "Religious" and the sentence still makes sense - much sense. (...) See "Buddhist" (sp?) (...) The mere fact that you don't hear them does not mean they are not there... these are the ones that do not attend (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I got his point. I think it's a valid restatement of your words to show that they can be applied to many groups. you DO paint atheists with an excessively broad brush, you know. More importantly.... I have a favor to ask though... please do a (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But then you wouldn't be talking about *only* Christians. If belief in God is your sole criteria, then you would have only a small portion of the group if you were speaking of Christians-- Muslims, Jews, Deists, etc would be a part of that (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Doh! Right in the subject, too... Chris (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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A little terse, aren't we? (...) Yes, isn't it amazing how much better we know now than we did back then. And isn't it amazing how we can't possibly conceive that the future is going to be any better at making decisions than we do today. I always (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Something just struck me wrong when I read this... (...) Back up there, schoolboy. Christians *can* be categorized insofar as that they all have one thing in common that binds them-- belief in God. But you would be hard pressed to find a single (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Correct. The "Big AMA Conspiracy" *actually* in effect is the one that restricts the supply of doctors in order to drive up the price of medical services. Classic cartel/union operation. (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Back up there, schoolboy. Atheists *can* be categorized insofar as that they all have one thing in common that binds them-- no belief in God. But you would be hard pressed to find a single common belief among *all* Christians, short of their (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) K, I was replying to someone who mentinoed that perhaps there is no God and that I'm wasting my time being a Christian. My answer, slightly tongue-in-cheek, was stating that 'so what?' If I get to the end of my life, living as a Christian and (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right to whom? To yourself? That's mighty solipsistic of a professed Xtian. Regardless, Pascal's wager is no validation of faith whatsoever, unless one already believes and feels like he needs a reason to continue. (...) Well, quacks are (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <snip> (...) Again, fruitcakes who have no idea what God's word is about--they are not Christians, they are religious fanatics--just 'cause they call themselves Christians doesn't mean they (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Can you not see the contradiction you're broadcasting? You are constantly sputtering about "athiests" and "leftists" as if either group can be painted with a single brush, but then you get your undies in a bunch when people applie your own (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Herbs have complex chemicals that are as yet poorly understood. Some of them are certainly medicinal. And "real doctors" have been practicing quackery through the ages. (...) Something being legal doesn't make it right. Slavery of negros was (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In fairness, John was looking for groups, not individuals. Any bigish group is going to have some fruitcakes. And in her case, you can hardly blame her Christianity (unless there's something I don't know about her). (...) This, OTOH, is a (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ooooh, now that's the real question--is the kid denying his or her faith? Then we have a situation--the kid wants the treatment. If the child understands the implications of forsaking her or his religion... if we believe that the child is (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps they're just miffed at the roughness with which that extra "T" was inserted. best LFB (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snip> (...) If I backed the wrong horse and/or he doesn't exist (as proven in HHGTTG btw) then I have lived my life to the best of my ability for no other reason than it was the right thing to do. (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's not baloney. What gets my undies in a bunch is when ignorant people group *all* Christians together. Because one sorely misguided wacko such as Andrea Yates, who claims to be a Christian offs all of her kids, that must mean that *ALL* (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But what I'm asking, is: what if the child wants medical treatment and the parent forbids it? (...) So if I see that a piano is falling from the seventh floor window right above you and I choose to say nothing -- letting you squash, that's OK? (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You may have whatever you want for you and your child, as, if and when I have them, I should be the responsible guardian for my child. (...) No, in one case the superzealots are killing innocents, ending lives that they themselves are not (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) **snip of some stuff** That's all well and good, but the point is that John asked for an example of a Xtian (or group thereof) in the past 100 years who killed innocent women or children, and I provided several examples. At any rate, I don't (...) (22 years ago, 8-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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