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(...) I am saying I do not care about the lions morals. Saying a lion has no morals, is like saying it cannot drive a car - it is irrelevant. I view calling a lion “amoral” as negative, as it is saying it has not got what we view as being “good”. (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Again, I'm tremendously unclear. Please try and explain in more than 2 sentences. Try and summarize in a couple ways-- that might help. As near as I can tell, you mean one of two things: 1. You mean to say that we cannot tell if animals have (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because, I expect, people do not want to know. Domestic violence exists, but too many in society turn a blind eye. (...) Was it a few months ago - Is that the guy who did not wear a helmet? (...) I do not believe that parents always know best. (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It might be a way to curb that type of violence, yes. So why not show that type of violence in movies? Get it out in the open. Don't hide it from your children. Allow them to see the violence and have a chance to understand that it is wrong (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I may well have. (...) The stereotypical porn movie is demeaning to woman. If I were to teach anyone sex education, it would be more than a functional analysis. Sex education should, at the very least, be in the context some sort of well (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A good question. If it is publically avaible it could include all 3. But I see your point. But lets leave the marginal side of kiddy porn aside for now. (...) My view would be that individuals who use this material may need help in some way. (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A good question. If it is publically avaible it could include all 3. But I see your point. But lets leave the marginal side of kiddy porn aside for now. (...) My view would be that individuals who use this material may need help in some way. (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I cycle to work, cars do not screech around corners. Buildings do not explode. But I am sure that behind a couple of doors a husband is beating a wife. A dad is beating his kids. A mother may be beating her kids too. The reality is that (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well I still think it is. I view moralising as rather sanctimonious. To say an animal is without them is negative - in my opinion. (...) Amoral is negative. (...) Evaluate comes to mind (...) Read Larry's message again. Assess the tone. What (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. Not at all. I meant consumption levels. I used to share an office with a guy who has utter contempt for anyone who is more than a pound overweight, gay or a Catholic(1). I was thinking of him when I wrote the text. He lives in the USA (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well? Is there a contrary view? Scott A (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Including me I think. (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By referencing the dietary constraint issue, are you talking about my ethical stance on vegetarianism? You are claiming that there is a difference between protecting lives and dietary restriction, but my dietary restriction does protect lives. (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For one thing, after the filming of Xena's beheading, Lucy Lawless appeared on Leno. In real life people do not typically hit the talk show circuit after they're decapitated (though admittedly it's sometimes hard to tell the difference). As (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm.. It strikes me as a contradiction to call for reality as a stylized representation of reality, but I'm nitpicking (and, anyway, I know what you're saying). But overall I think people want realism in their fiction, moreso than (but not to (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not by my watch. If you were unclear on the issue you probably should've asked Larry what he meant by amoral. Otherwise, you must explain what definition you though Larry was using, explain why it's not what you're saying, AND explain the (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the key phrase is "public indecency and lewdness." Sex, violence, indecency etc. don't always happen in public. (...) The reason that I chose that particular incident, is because there was a double shooting at a local mall the day (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Didn't you jump my case for calling you a prude several months ago? I think pornography is a good tool for parents to demonstrate sex when they're too shy to do so in person. It sounds like Scott objects to the commission of certain acts or (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't mean to come down on the side of censorship here, but if you haven't noticed, we do have laws against public indecency and lewdness and laws against violence too. So your analogy, it seems to me, works against your stance. (...) But we (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Last time I had to post 3 timesabout my new MOCs before 2 people replied. They were too busy arguing about wings in space... ZaC Soden ---...--- www.ozbricks.com/battlespace (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I know this was a troll, but I thought I'd bite. (...) Certainly we tell ourselves that the children involved are deeply damaged by the experience. I'm not so sure that it's just our squicky puritanical knee-jerk doing that rationalizing sometimes. (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I had typed out a whole paragraph arguing exactly that point, but thought it was vague enough that I let it be. Besides, I didn't want to prove your statement about me above to be true. :-) (...) -Duane (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Alright, I'll put this topic to bed (Oooo, that pun's just bad) (...) I'm just wondering what the difference is in your mind. (...) OK, I'll give you that. (...) Then why is there such a hunger for the media to lay their hands on (to use the (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which response, to which Dave? Precision is good. Do you agree with my summation below? If not, could you give what *you* think Chris meant, and what *you* think Larry meant? From looking through, it is very obvious that everyone who has (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is an interesting point and I think I can shed a little more light on it. Jennifer's truck broke new ground on two (or more) front's. I think as well as her being female there we're more factor's that contributed to the large number of (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jesse Alan Long writes: <snip my own stuff> (...) Who is Judy? Jude (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nobody "stole" the name of your spacecraft since you do not hold exclusive rights to the name "Galaxy Enforcer" It's especially silly for you to claim ownership of this name, because you admitted that it's a name for a spaceship you haven't (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the obsession has to do with Shiri being female. To illustrate this, I've put together an example. Below are some posts from Lugnet.technic (in which most of the posts are from males). POST 1: Beat Felber's announcement of his new (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope (...) You have to take the ribbing to be a part of the groups. It's fun. Accept it. Do it back. Enjoy yourself. (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <emphasis> (...) </emphasis> (...) You paint with too broad a brush, sir. And I resent it. I am very tired of it, in fact, in the general case. In this specific case I have repeatedly tried to move this thread to debate and others keep moving (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) people have been ridiculing me for simply saying that they stole a name for a class of space craft that I have built and I am not trying to complain but these people, for the most part, have been acting as if they are the biggest LEGO gods in (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When one read this again it looks rather quaint: "have the right to marry and to found a family". Although I am sure/hope it is not intended today, but it implies that marriage should come before having children. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is a family forum. Like I said before, it may just be that I am a prude. (...) Just what war torn coutry do you live in? (...) Not more violent, but more realistic. There is a clear distinction between the two. Movies have the stylised (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For the benifit of other readers: (URL) 16. (1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Every other person is STILL talking about Shiri? Does every person in this room have a psychotic obscession with Shiri? "Move it along, there's nothing to see here, people, let's go. police chief from South Park" Jesse Long P.S. I agree with (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am, if we share an understanding of what "basic" means. Even if we do not, there is this : Universal Declaration of Human Rights - Article 16. (I expect Duane will contest both. ;/) However, the paranoid in me tells me that this is the (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is your basis to the claim that acts depicted in pornography are different than those done in real life behind closed doors? (...) The crow-bar incident stemmed from my attempt to help a woman in a neighboring apartment who was being (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I did not say that in this thread. I cannot remember ever saying it? (...) This is because, generally, I do not view .debate as a place where debates should start (am I the only one which thinks this?). I view it as a place where debates which (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 'Dissenting Judge Ann Bradley said the sentence violated the "basic human right" to have children.' Wasn't aware of such a right. Who's got her email address, maybe she could present her reasons for that viewpoint here and settle (1) a (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks! Dave! Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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