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In lugnet.market.services, Mark Papenfuss wrote:
> In lugnet.market.services, Paul Janssen wrote:
> http://www.landofbricks.com
>
> > Mark, sad, but there is truth to these stories.
>
> Hey, I never said *none* were true - I even said that they do freeze some
> accounts for protection from fraud.....
>
> > Paypal yanked the funds back. They
> > claimed that the buyer has possibly used fraudulaent funds.
>
> And there ya go - straight from your fingertips. *Any* good CC company will try
> to protect people from fraud, and that is exactly what was going on. If you buy
> something and it turns out to be stolen the police will yank it away from you -
> does that make them thieves?
The police helps you get the info you need to get the money back from the person
that got the goods, buy PP in very incooperative, unlike the police.
>
> > I had shipped to the
> > confirmed address, (but no delivery conf.), and received feedback for the
> > order about 1 week after shipment. A good 4 months later the funds were
> > yanked back, and no matter what evidence I provided that it had been shipped
> > (including links to BL feedback etc.), paypal stated I have to follow
> > their "seller protection program" to the very letter.
>
> Sounds like the buyer is the one doing you bad, not paypal. Did he claim you
> never sent the goods? And if that is what he did (it really sounds like that is
> what happened) do you really expect paypal to give him back his money an let you
> keep the money also?
I did ship, and the buyer received! The buyer left me positive feedback. I was
even 1 piece short on a used black falcon fortress, which I shipped a few days
later, again to the confirmed address. My beef is that a "confirmed" address
means nothing apparently. You would think they at least contact the "buyer", or
even file charges, but what I undferstood they do not. So, PP has proof that
fradulent funds were used, they have a confirmed address of the fradulent buyer,
yet stick it to the seller. They should at least help me get the money back from
the buyer by sharing info regarding the fraud, but they don't. Preventing me
from getting it back is also a form of stealing, wouldn't you say.
If it actually did work like that - could you imagine the
> amount of fraud that will start up? All 2 people have to do is send the other a
> good amount of money, the 'buyer' claims he never got the item - paypal would
> refund the money to the 'buyer' and still let the 'seller' keep the money....
> heh - that would be an easy way to double your money there.
>
> It is sad, yes - but it is reality. Any major CC company will do the exact same
> thing - so how does that single out paypal as theives? All a person has to do is
> calim they never made the purcace to their CC comapny and there is over a 95%
> chance they will get their money back regardless of the store having proof that
> the charge is legit.
>
>
> > I truely believe thet stole it from me.
>
> Who? The 'buyer' or Paypal?
Both, the buyer for real (if indeed he used a stolen CC), PayPal in a broader
for blocking my chance at getting it back.
>
> It is so easy to reverse CC charges - no matter how much proof the store has it
> was you. The percentage of chargebacks that get denied are very small. So is
> this paypal's fault?
>
>
> > there is truth to some of these stories,
>
> Yes, I agree some are true - and I bet the vast majority of them are sellers who
> do not understand this is how *all* CC processors work. And I am sure most
> stories are missing some very key facts. But like the story that was posted here
> - not one ounce of supporting evidence - and look at it - it is the #1 topic
> right now - WITH NO PROOF! If somebody stole $7,000 from me I would make a run
> to the BBB and any and every news station that would listen - and trust me, ALL
> would listen and play the story to death like they do with everything.
>
> If somebody stole $7,000+ from you - would you only change the payments you take
> on ebay? lol, think about it......
>
> Mark
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