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| | | (...) This NEEDS to go to off-topic.debate, followups set there. Suffice it to say that I'd not care to live in a world where everything was "equal". To me, "equal" means taking away from those of ability and giving to the undeserving. (25 years ago, 1-Dec-99, to lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Richard Franks
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| | | | (...) Ooops - yep, thanks! (...) Agreed - equality doesn't have to be applied universally to make some things more "equal". I don't think that I implied that everything in the world should be "equal". (...) "Undeserving" is a very ambiguous term, do (...) (25 years ago, 1-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) The former. Those who work hard make their own chances and get their own opportunities, therefore don't need help from some sort of scheme to make things "equal" as long as the government they're under isn't actively suppressing rights. There (...) (25 years ago, 1-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —John Neal
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| | | | | Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) Yeah, because for every hard working, self-made mi/bi/tri/etc.llionaire, there are 2.5 deadbeat, silverspooned offspring who have most likely been ignored and have no concepts of value or any other redeeming (...) (25 years ago, 1-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Yep. Shirtsleeves to Shirtsleeves in 3 generations, as they say... (25 years ago, 1-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Richard Franks
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| | | | (...) Wow, that sounds almost as optimistic as my view of the world ;) I agree that those who work can make opportunities for themselves, but also that those with opportunities have the dice loaded in their favour towards gaining new opportunities. (...) (25 years ago, 1-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | (...) The latter, I suspect, at least at the basic theory level. I'm more interested in trying to get to the bottom of what I perceive as a "resentment" issue that surfaced again while discussing the Entertainer situation... Seems to me that there (...) (25 years ago, 1-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | (...) Doesn't just seem that way to you... (25 years ago, 1-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Rob Hendrix
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| | | | | | | | (...) "Can't we all just get along?" said Reginold Denning... (25 years ago, 1-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yes I think we should. If nothing else, some of the posts above are startinging to get a little paranoid. Scott A (25 years ago, 2-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | (...) Sounds good :) (...) My personal view is that it's nicer to give 20 people 1 thing, than give 1 person 20 things (related specifically to Lego deals in this example). That doesn't logically extend to saying that the one person who has the 20 (...) (25 years ago, 1-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | (...) This might seem obtuse, but... Imagine a lunch room at a public school. You have 20 nickles. Do you give 20 hungry kids one nickle each, or give one of them all 20 so they can get lunch? I'm only pointing out exceptions to your 'rule.' Chris (25 years ago, 2-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | | | (...) It's not obtuse, just irrelevant, as I did state that the example was related "specifically to Lego deals" - as I predicted such a response with my amazing predicto-vision, and tried to avoid it :) It did also mention the flaw in trying to (...) (25 years ago, 2-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Why? In other words, why is my need for 20 any LESS valid than anyone elses need for 1? Usually, the market allows me to satisfy my need. IF I am willing to pay more for all 20 than those that want one are willing to, in other words, (...) (25 years ago, 2-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | | (...) *sigh* I really wrote: -- My personal view is that it's nicer to give 20 people 1 thing, than give 1 person 20 things (related specifically to Lego deals in this example). That doesn't logically extend to saying that the one person who has the (...) (25 years ago, 2-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) ** sigh ** Well I didn't say you said it was bad. I'm just asking "why, exactly, is it nicer"? (25 years ago, 3-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Bah, you've got the bigger sigh, you win. No more sighing for me then. *sulk* I was responding mostly to: (...) Which I read as you saying that I said it was wrong/bad whatever, but I've confused myself now, and it's probably not that (...) (25 years ago, 3-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) You know, while my basic response to this would be, "yeah, I know, some people, through no fault of their own and through no lack of hard work, will simply never make a fraction of the money Larry makes, but that's just reality, we deal with (...) (25 years ago, 3-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Thankyou for *considering* my points - sometimes it seems like an all too rare thing on usenet forums! (...) I'm trying to resist the pull of cynicism myself, I don't know how well I succeed sometimes! (...) Very true - if you can't be happy (...) (25 years ago, 4-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | Mike Stanley wrote in message ... (...) computers (...) One problem here is that there are two mostly separate issues. The first issue is given people have money and good have prices, is the distribution of those goods fair. The second issue is (...) (25 years ago, 3-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | <FM5Cyw.4v7@lugnet.com> <slrn84eoh3.3kp.cjc@...s.utk.edu> <FM77oM.12J@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Right, it's with you for being a slacker and not earning enough to buy it! <grins, (...) (25 years ago, 4-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yes. Perhaps in an effort to be uncontroversial[1], you didn't mention the malleable priorities under 1.) above: 1a: Buying 1b: Sorting 1c: Trading 1d: Building 1e: Selling That's just my personal order; YMMV. It's also horribly idealized, (...) (25 years ago, 5-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | (...) No, no, no. Your need for 20 isn't less valid than someone else's need for 1. But 20 persons needing one getting satisfied _does_ make for a larger overall level of happiness. Jasper (25 years ago, 6-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) How so? I am more than 20 times increased in happiness than the average increase in happiness of those 20 other fellas... so the larger overall level of happiness is on my side... :-) (25 years ago, 6-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'm inclined to believe otherwise - but since I can't prove, or even really tell, one way or the other, this is a spurious argument ;) Jasper (25 years ago, 7-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well of course it's spurious. But so's the original thesis. :-) (25 years ago, 7-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —James Brown
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| | | | | | | (...) Not to mention the increase in happiness about being able to debate about it... <duck> James (URL) (25 years ago, 6-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | | (...) Ah, but the law of diminishing returns states.... :) :) Richard (25 years ago, 6-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Who said I didn't factor that in?? :-) (25 years ago, 6-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) But did you? :) Answers on the back of a 6277 to the usual address... Richard (25 years ago, 6-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —John VanZwieten
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| | | | | | | | Richard Franks <spontificus@__nospa...yahoo.com> wrote in message news:FMCELH.J2s@lugnet.com... (...) By the way, it's the law of diminishing _marginal_ returns, and all it states is that at _some_ point, additional units of a good will provide (...) (25 years ago, 9-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | | | (...) I stand corrected! :) (...) True, but I'd compare 1 LEGO set to 1 packet of M&Ms, as opposed to 1 LEGO set to 1 M&M. In general of course, I'm not into trains so if I was maybe my perception would be different. Although, if LEGO Direct helps (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | <FMCELH.J2s@lugnet.com> <FMHr07.84s@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) :-) Although I AM an animal around my trains, and I do think they have a life of their own (unlike me... I have no (...) (25 years ago, 9-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —John VanZwieten
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| | | | | | Richard Franks <spontificus@__nospa...yahoo.com> wrote in message news:FMI6p1.DrF@lugnet.com... (...) given (...) people (...) I'd say probably 20 times the average of 20 people with 20 each :-) I'm not sure I've ever seen a grown man look more (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Thanks! That's the nicest thing anyone's said about me all day! There are a lot of good rules to live by in the members pages but one of my favorites is "be childlike but not childish"... (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | (...) God, I hope not. StarOffice is almost buggier and more bloated than MSOffice. Jasper (25 years ago, 6-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | (...) Yep, StarOffice bites. (25 years ago, 7-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Richard Franks
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| | | | (...) Yeah? Bummer - I only ever played about with it for about half an hour before, and I found it miraculous to effortlessly load msword docs on my solaris box at work! Not that I needed to of course, as all the documentation I did was in (...) (25 years ago, 7-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | (...) Well, noting that I'm speaking mostly as a channel for other people since I have little experience myself: It leaks memory worse than Netscape 4, it crashes more often than Win98, and the user interface sucks (according to those who're forced (...) (25 years ago, 7-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | | (...) In other words it combines the most widely discussed features of the most common software packages of our time. Those words being marketing-speak. (...) I wouldn't expect it to be better... yet! :) Richard (25 years ago, 8-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | (...) With enough memory (all my machines have at least 256, and that's enough) I'd rather run Linux and VMWare+NT and Office 2000 than Linux and StarOffice any day. Maybe if S.O. didn't suck I would feel differently, but I'll put up with the lags (...) (25 years ago, 8-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | | | | | Re: e-commerce (was Technic shuttle etc) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | (...) The fact that it runs like crap is the biggest part of it. I also don't like the all-in-one interface. Its user interface feels like an old off-bran Works-type program. And I don't think it will qualify as an alternative to MS Office for a (...) (25 years ago, 8-Dec-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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