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Re: Lego(r) Master Maniac designation?
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Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:30:26 GMT
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Janet Zorn wrote in message ...
> Matthew Verdier wrote in message ...
> Well, Matt, my kids don't get on the internet, and I don't even have a
> tv. But I don't see why the internet and tv should be the sole
> province of the profane. Why not say the same for other public
> accomodations? "Parents should cut off all access to public streets."
> And post your bad moods somewhere else. We're not interested in what
> kind of day you had.
Personally, I think it is unhealthy to isolate your children from the world.
Too much isolation leaves them unprepared to make the hard choices they are
going to have to make throughout the course of their lives.
At what point did I indicate what kind of day I've had? Just so you know, I
had a pretty good day, other than I am beginning to feel a slight sore
throat. Who is this we you speak of? Are you speaking on the behalf of a
family of mice in your pocket? No, not everyone cares what kind of day I
had, but some people here might. Disagreeing with someone doesn't make me
angry. It is in my nature to examine my opinions carefully and compare and
contrast them with others. Anyone who knows me even a little will tell you
I am nothing if not opinionated, and I love to share them.
> Children will be exposed profanity and every other adult topic, that
> does not mean that the producers of such stuff in every venue should
> be excused or endorsed.
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> And Beaker, I share your libertarian philosophy. Since when did the
> libertarian philosophy become an excuse for "as nasty as they want to
> be"? There is a difference between liberty and licentiousness.
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> Y'all are forgetting the topic of this thread.
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> I'm not suggesting morally judging anyone. But we can judge behavior.
Judging behavior is not morally judging someone? Saying we should
disqualify someone for an award due to their disruptive (my understanding of
your objection to 'foul' language) behavior doesn't seem necessary to me.
Essentially, what is being discussed is creating an elite group of Lego
enthusiasts. A social club of Lego Maniacs. Fellow Lego Maniacs will dole
out the prize of holding this title based on the persons social standing
within the group. Oh sure, the group will try to quantify what makes one
eligible for membership, but it will ultimately come down to interpersonal
relationships. Anyone the group doesn't like won't get in no matter what.
Those the group does, will be admitted regardless of the contributions or
lack-there-of to the Lego community.
> We are not talking about preventing people from posting. And I did not
> suggest that anyone should apologize for such language. Post away. We
> are discussing the designation of certain individuals as master
> modelers for the purpose of lauding those who advance the hobby. Does
> unnecessary profanity advance the hobby? No. Is its use in this forum
> appropriate? No. Can people still post that type of stuff? Sure. But
> we don't have to describe such a person as a master modeler. We don't
> have to make excuses for behavior unbecoming the advancement of the
> hobby.
Good thing you are not suggesting preventing people from posting. I don't
believe such things are open to debate on LUGNET, but Todd and Suzanne can
correct me if I'm wrong. What does the language people use have to do with
their skills as a modeler? Nothing. Who says that it is inappropriate for
this forum? If Todd and Suzanne say so, I'll go along with it. And as far
as RTL goes, there is no greater bastion of free speech than usenet. Those
who remember Mandroid will testify how difficult, if not impossible, it is
to shut up a truly annoying and disturbed individual who chooses to frequent
usenet.
I am not sure we have to describe people as anything. I am not positive
what benefit creating this designation would provide other than boosting the
egos of those handing out the designations and those receiving them. Am I a
master modeler? Many people say they like my designs. I will admit that I
like to hear from people who have enjoyed my designs. But for everything I
have built that I liked enough to post on my page there are 5 models that I
didn't bother to finish. And for every model I finished and liked enough
to post on my page, I have found 5 models by other people that I like more.
All I know is I enjoy building my original creations and I enjoy sharing my
best work with like minded people.
> This is the same group where we hear how bad RTL has gotten with
> flames and how much we hate the spams. How is vulgarity any different?
RTL is still one of the nicer (if no longer the nicest as we used to say)
groups. Ever been to the Robert Jordan group? Those are some of the most
interesting, and outgoing people I have seen on usenet. They also are the
some of the least tolerant of outsiders, and are quick to rip newbies to
shreds. For that matter go into a purely scientific newsgroup. Academics
can be some of the most intolerant and childish people on usenet. They are
some of the most entertaining, too.
My gripe with RTL is that it is intolerant. It used to be a family of like
minded people who knew and respected each other enough that we could
honestly discuss our feelings on any topic. That is gone. Now we politely
discuss pending trades, or poopoo the decline of Lego. Very cordial and
polite (most of the time), but very little real substance.
> I grew up hearing every foul, degrading, profane, blasphemous, nasty,
> etc. word and phrase and I've heard many more since. They do not shock
> or impress me. I don't think it is "harmful." I think it is pathetic
> that such words are the best that people can think of.
Again, if you don't think it is harmful or shocking and your children don't
get on the information superhighway why are you attempting to control the
behavior of others? It is a very subtle attempt at control, but it is an
attempt at control none-the-less. You don't want to admit to yourself that
you are that kind of person, having a libertarian philosophy and all, but
then the lies we tell ourselves are both the most damaging and the most
indicative of our true selves.
Matthew Verdier
"You can't just say you're King because some watery tart threw a sword at
you"
Dennis, 700 AD
http://www.GeoCities.com/CapeCanaveral/2738/mjvlego.html
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| Matthew Verdier wrote in message ... (...) Think it through, Matthew. Do you want to shield your children from the world... of paedophilia? of addictive drugs? of bungie jumping? At what point do you personally think it's reasonable to limit a (...) (26 years ago, 30-Dec-98, to lugnet.general)
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| (...) Below is a snippet from the Terms of Use for lugnet.com. Someone who is in violation of these terms runs the risk of being kicked off the system. Depending on the nature of violation, someone may need to be kicked off instantly with no further (...) (26 years ago, 30-Dec-98, to lugnet.general)
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| (...) I won't speak for Larry (whose idea this was in the first place), but that's certainly nothing like anything I ever had in mind, and if that's what this thing degenerates into, I'll call it a failure and move on. Do you believe that the (...) (26 years ago, 30-Dec-98, to lugnet.general)
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| (...) Personally, I find rasfwrj _more_ entertaining... I tend to skip the on-topic bits, tho. <recklessly thrown open robes and all> However, I think It's not quite so bad as it used to be, as far as ripping newbies apart is concerned. And, most of (...) (26 years ago, 31-Dec-98, to lugnet.general)
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| Matthew Verdier wrote in message ... :Beaker wrote in message ... : :>I have a libertarian philosophy, and thus a lot of my sigs have drug :>humor, ... I also have a couple that use profanity, and I am :>equally unapologetic. I maintain that the (...) (26 years ago, 30-Dec-98, to lugnet.general)
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