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| | | In lugnet.events, Tommy Armstrong wrote: snip (...) I guess I'm one of those people - not that I complained, I just didn't go because I couldn't afford it. The last BF I went to (in '04), I probably spent around $125 total for registration, (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Jeff Stembel
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| | | | | (...) One of the reasons a lot of people I know have complained is because the price is higher than a lot of other events, such as science fiction conventions and anime conventions, and they've felt it just isn't worth the same, especially (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Magnus Lauglo
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| | | | | | (...) Jeff, Marc and all, By all means, let's have a frank, honest, transparent and civil discussion about this stuff now. My understanding is that the public days bring in (a projected amount of) money that helps keeping registration at the level (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Jeff Stembel
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| | | | | | (...) I'm not convinced of this at all. My estimations of the amount of money coming in does not match up with information I have been able to glean on costs. I am not privy to the financial details, and could be wrong, but I still have my (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Tommy Armstrong
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| | | | | (...) What about the literally thousands of hours that Christina has given of her time to get the thing going--along with all the other dedicated volunteers in the past, and the hundreds of hours Joe spent this year to pull it all together. To truly (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Anthony Sava
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| | | | | | (...) I'm sorry but the minute an organizer of Brickfest starts making money off of the event itself, compensation or not, I'm not going. If this was the case this year, I'm glad I didn't go. Yes, there are groups making money off of Brickfest - the (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | (...) If you feel you got your money's worth (~$20/day) from the privilege of attending and participating, does it really matter where the money goes? Unless the event is stated as a charity event (which I don't recall BrickFest ever being billed (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Anthony Sava
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Yes, it matters to me where the money goes. Why? What do *I* get out of brickfest? I get discounted LEGO, see new LEGO products, display my stuff, see other people's stuff and talk to other LEGO fans. Cheap LEGO - I can always get a friend who (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I'm not following your reasoning linking what you feel you get (or don't get) and where your money goes. Nevertheless. To make a simple comparison, do you eat at a fast-food restaurant, knowing that your money is not covering just the cost of (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Joe Meno
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I will have a chance at the beginning of October. Some things are still being worked out, such as taxes and fees. I already have a rough breakdown of costs based on registration, but there is some undefined info, so I would rather wait until I (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Karl Paulsen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Very cool Joe, Kudo's for your transparency. As I mentioned, it is my desire to find a way to attend regardless, but it is nice to know where my $ would be going. Karl PS For those of us who would have to fly in, The cost of tickets is a much (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) And for those of us who would have to sleep somewhere, the cost of a hotel room is likely to be at least as big a concern as the plane ticket to get there. And we all have to eat for 3 or 4 days. That pretty much equals the cost of $20/day (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees —Thomas Stangl
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yeah, I mean geez, I spent almost $125 on gas for the 2250 miles of driving I did to/from/around BF, so the $60 in reg was piddling. Not to mention I saved more than the reg fees Thurs night at the Lego store by far ;-) And the buffet during (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Thanks for letting us know, Joe. Personally, I'm not concerned about it - from my perspective, any profit from BF'06 is yours to do with as you please. I wouldn't care if you took a vacation to Tahiti with it, or blew it on horse racing. (Not (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Joe, thanks for the info-note. I'm honestly one of those who believe that organizers should be compensated, at least 100% of their expenses (including mileage, phone, plane, etc), but I also hope that Brickfest can start maintaining a "cash (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Jude Beaudin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) snip... (...) Hi Joe, I was wondering if this ever happened? I cannot seem to find any posts to that effect. It could probably be of use to all of those planning several new events this year in the fact that they will have a point of (...) (18 years ago, 16-Feb-07, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Joe Meno
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) This never happened because I never got complete bookkeeping from our financial person. However, I can give you the following information off the top of my head: BrickFest 2006 got its space by working out a deal with the hotel. For x number (...) (18 years ago, 16-Feb-07, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX) !
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees —Jim Foulds
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I've had quite of a few people ping me directly regarding Joe’s post about the registration fees for Brickfest ’06. Rather than reply personally to everyone (and to re-direct future inquiries), I thought I should clarify my past and current (...) (18 years ago, 19-Feb-07, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, lugnet.general, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Anthony Sava
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I don't work for the restaurant when I eat there. Thus this is not a valid comparison. Let's look at it this way: A regular venue, say, a business expo, the attendees are there for personal gain. They pay their entry fee and do their business (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Tommy Armstrong
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Anthony Wrote: (...) You are absolutely correct to this point (...) Well to many, including myself, a well run zoo is a cultural resource that has value and needs to be sustained and nurtured. Literally thousands of people volunteer their time and (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —James Powell
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) "Kids, they are going to call you America's most valuable natural resource. Have you seen what they do to valuable natural resources? The're going to strip mine your souls..." a nice quote from (Bruce) U. Utah Phillips Frankly, though...it (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Brian Davis
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I'm only going to speak (type?) for myself here. I came... because it was fun. A of fun. And I learned an amazing amount of things, and was deeply inspired by a lot of the things I saw (interpretation: I will steal a lot of cool ideas from the (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Jake McKee
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) As someone would has built a career on trying to understand why consumers/users/fans volunteer to help out the brands they love, this is a fascinating discussion! In order for the process of collaboration to work, what has to happen? Everbody (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Well, agree or not, Anthony's making a valid point. Some AFOLs may feel used or exploited if the event is a for-profit one, while others don't mind, so long as they get their money's worth. I think the problem is that people don't know. I guess (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Jake McKee
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Nor do I. In fact, I encourage it. That means there's even more specific motivation to make things bigger, better, more interesting, etc. (...) Dave, excellent point. (...) I think the reality is that in the earlier days, there was barely (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Todd Thuma
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| | | | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.events, Anthony Sava wrote: Snip (...) After lamblasting Anthony for his estimate of time, I would like to support him a little on his arguement here. I think it is a little disengenous for an organizer not to be upfront with where the (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Why? Still not following the logic. As an attendee, I paid my money and received value, and my hobby is being furthered by positive public attention. As a volunteer, I get warm fuzzies and the adoration of my peers for participating in such a (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Marc Nelson Jr.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) You don't think there's anything wrong with acting like a nonprofit but operating as a private, for-profit enterprise? The IRS would like to have a stern talk with you. Not that BF has been pretending to be a nonprofit, but I don't think the (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) You bet they would. But BF has always been a privately held company, as far as I know, and never a non-profit. Being a non-profit requires specific paperwork (like what LEGOFan filed). So unless BF filed as non-profit, that's not an issue. (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Marc Nelson Jr.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) It started out as an event (URL) run by a local LUG>. I'm not sure when or how the transition happened. The fact that BF was a business has been out there for a while - if you were looking for it. But BF has never felt like a business, what (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Never said it was an ideal scenario. I was just pointing out what is rather than what might be preferred. And the way it is right now is that the intellectual property for the name "BrickFest" is held by AMH Productions, who holds all the (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Marc Nelson Jr.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) The phrase "BrickFest is a Trademark of Brick Events LLC" started showing up on the website by (URL) July 19, 2002> at the latest. The (URL) Wayback Machine> isn't showing me the results for the beginning of 2002. The 2002 event was the first (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I'm pretty sure BrickFest 2000 had a registration fee. I know that it was pointed out at one point that even in 2000, the facility was NOT free (I had been under that impression, and I know when conversation started about BF2001, perhaps even (...) (18 years ago, 13-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Marc Nelson Jr.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Thanks, Frank, and sorry about the mistake. I had no recollection of the fees, and was just going by (URL) exchange> - which I thought pertained to the registration, but since there was a fee in 2001, they must have meant that the space was (...) (18 years ago, 13-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) SPACE!!! ROSCO (18 years ago, 13-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, lugnet.fun, lugnet.space, FTX) !
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Jordan Bradford
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) LOL (18 years ago, 13-Sep-06, to lugnet.fun, lugnet.space, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) "Because I'll be more likely to help if I know", "Because I'll be more likely to donate if I know", "Because I'd be willing to pay more if I know", "Because I'm more likely to attend if I know". You're absoutely right-- It's a capitalist (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Those are all decent answers. It sounds like there's a discrepancy of tense... my comments in this thread have all been aimed at the past tense, why should an attendee of an event want to know information about what they've just attended. (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well... yeah? Shouldn't we be talking about consequence? (...) Oh, I'm not referring to any actions specifically-- I'm following what appears to be your stance to its absolutist conclusions to test the validity of your claim. Your claim (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Sure, but that's a slightly different conversation. (...) I'm a heartless bastard. Ask my kids. :) You're free to draw the above conclusion, although it's incorrect. The conversation has morphed into something different from what I thought I (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Geoff Gray
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well Anthony, I am sorry you feel that way, but I will tell you from my own personal experience that I, as a strong participant in AFOL events, have helped arrange, coordinate, setup, present, book, organize, and generally help any way I can. (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX) !
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Rich Manzo
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) That's fine. More food and walking space for the rest of us. (18 years ago, 11-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Marc Nelson Jr.
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Kelly, you're probably right that BF being a for-profit event shouldn't affect the perceived value of what you get for your registration fee. But it might affect other things. Would people be as willing to volunteer to help run BF if they knew (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Good question about volunteers. I think it's all about what's expected up front. There are all sorts of reasons why people volunteer for things... if I was doing the same thing as somebody who had a different "deal" with an organizer, I'd feel (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Jeff Stembel
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yes, it absolutely does. I expect every cent I put in to go back to the event itself, and not the people running it. The only compensation I expect any staffers to recieve is free entry to the event (since it is more work than play for most of (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Jon Gilchrist
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| | | | | | | | | (...) From dictionary.com: em?bez?zle [em-bez-uhl] –verb (used with object), -zled, -zling. to appropriate fraudulently to one's own use, as money or property entrusted to one's care. Which leads to: fraud [frawd] –noun 1. deceit, trickery, sharp (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) --SNIP-- (...) From (URL) allied by nature; having the same properties: Something akin to vertigo was troubling her. If you're going to go to the trouble of using the dictionary on one word at least take the time to use it on those preceeding (...) (18 years ago, 13-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Tommy Armstrong
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Golly Pete In my opinion no monetary compensation for the event coordinator of a major event is akin to slavery. And that is very, very unethical. Once you pay your registration fee to an event you should have no say how, where, or to whom it (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Jeff Stembel
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Slavery is not voluntary, and they CHOSE to participate, as did everyone else on staff. Staffing a convention is not employment, it is a voluntary service to better the hobby. In addition, the money is the *event's* money, not any one (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees —Joseph Greene
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| | | | | | | | | | | You've never run an event have you Jeff? First off, an event for more than 800 attendees has some expenses other than just the 'space' for panels, displays etc. Quite a few.Start with insurance., now I'm not sure about Virginia, but in my area the (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees —Thomas Stangl
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Where do you get these ideas? They're *opinions*, not fact. Of course staffing a convention can be employment. It doesn't *have* to be payment-free or volunteer work. And event money *can* go to paying staff. Do you not understand that (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | | | | | (...) That's an unrealistic expectation. (...) I look forward to your announcement of your own LEGO-related event, I'd like to see how that works for you. Good luck with that. (...) Tommy said it well... how can you embezzle your own money? (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Marc Nelson Jr.
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| | | | | | | | (...) It's not THAT unrealistic, as Jeff mentioned that he attends other fan events where the organizers work on a volunteer basis. (...) You're right - Christina/Joe/whoever could take the accumulated funds from BF and write themselves a check for (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Jake McKee
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I can understand this, but at the end of the day there are benefits in both models: 1. A for-profit has an economic incentive to continue developing positive, fulfilling events. 2. A non-profit model had a higher chance of powering through (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | I've been reading this dicussion, and have a few thoughts: First off, a consideration of what the event coordinator has to put in: - A fair bit of time, sure, not 1000s of hours (for one event), 1000s of hours is a full time job... Hundreds of hours (...) (18 years ago, 11-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Tommy Armstrong
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I was the one who came up with thousands of hours, and I actually thought about it before writing it which is a bit unusual with me. I was thinking of Christina's total input of hours for the last 5 or is it 6 years. And I would bet she has (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Don Cox
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| | | | | | | | I am really sad that these comments about Brickfest and if Christina and/or Joe are keeping profits and if volunteers are being shafted while whomever is profiting from Brickfest are being spoken. At this point, I don't care. I HAVE attended BF for (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Karl Paulsen
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| | | | | | | Interesting topic this.... I an not qualified to judge the issue of wether or not folks should be paid, but here are a few things to consider. -Workers for Non-Profit organizations are paid. (I am one) -Gallery owners and art show organizers make (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees —Jon Gilchrist
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| | | | | | | Anthony, You don't know me from Adam, I lurk more than anything. But I had to respond to this post. First off, I have zero knowledge of how the event was organized. I went in '04 and that was it. I don't know if anyone got paid or not. But I have (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest) !!
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| | | | | | | | | My BrickFest Photos —Don Cox
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| | | | | | | | My Brickfest Photos: (URL) you enjoy viewing these as much as I did taking them and being there. -- Don GtwLUG Lugnet#1239 St. Louis, Mo., USA (18 years ago, 11-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest) !
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: My BrickFest Photos —Diana Wong
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| | | | | | | | (...) Hi Don and all, I finally uploaded all my brickfest photos on brickshelf too .. a lot of work required as they all needed to be resized. Do check them out too! (URL) too had a great time at Brickfest 2006! cheers, "THE" Diana dvirus (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Tommy Armstrong
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| | | | | | | (...) Its not my intention to flame at all. I was just making some observations. I am really just tangentially associated with the event. But I am aware that "just organizing the event as a whole" is no small thing. And it is my opinion that (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Magnus Lauglo
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| | | | | | | (...) Anthony, I think you may be underestimating the amount of time and effort that goes into putting something like this on. Maybe not literally thousands of hours for any one person, but for somebody like Christina or Joe and maybe others too, (...) (18 years ago, 8-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Jake McKee
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| | | | | | | (...) Anthony, all due respect when I say this - I think you're woefully underestimating the time required to put on such an event. I'm in no way speaking for Christina or the BF volunteers, but I know from my own experience of trying to organize (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Tommy Armstrong
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| | | | | | | | | (...) There you have it Todd and you people who want to put on an event in California--pretty much a blue print for what needs to be done (+ getting Jake's fingers a massage so he could keep typing). As I said when first started down this thread--I (...) (18 years ago, 9-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Anthony Sava
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| | | | | | | | This reply is not targeted at Jake or any specific person. It was just convenient to reply to Jake's post. Well, I thought I'd be done with this thread, but it looks like I'm going to have to put out a fire before it explodes. I really don't want to (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Tommy Armstrong
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Anthony, I was the one who made that statement about thousands of hours, and if you look at it, I was saying thousands for Christina, hundreds for Joe. I was talking about cumulative hours for Christina, and feel confident that over all the (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | Flattery Will Get You Nowhere (Was: BrickFest Registration Fees) —William P. (Pat) Hough
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| | | | | | | | | Folks, 'Sbeen a little while since I've been in here, and I must say, honestly I can't leave you kids alone for a second! :) I've decided to reply to Anthony's post, not because my words are necessarily directed at him, but because...well, I'm not (...) (18 years ago, 11-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Todd Thuma
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| | | | | | | | (...) Anthony, I appreciate your attempts to calculate the amount of hours an organizer might put into an event. Indeed it is difficult to fathom the number of hours a person is willing to contribute to something. Allow me a moment to quantify the (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) — Rene Hoffmeister
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| | | | | | | | (...) Hi Todd, Though I don't know whether it's appropriate that I take a hand in this discussion, but since I'm organizing events too (1000steine-Land), I can second your thoughts by all means. I wasn't counting hours, and I doubt I'm able to round (...) (18 years ago, 13-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees —Thomas Stangl
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| | | | | | | (...) I don't think anyone got paid, but if they did, I wouldn't be upset. (...) *"Just"*? You really have no clue whatsoever on the difficulty of organizing such an event, do you? Until you do it yourself (on BF's current scale), do NOT complain (...) (18 years ago, 10-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | (...) What seems strange to me is people with such conviction about this not having asked for the financial details before attending. Seems that's the best time to find out. ROSCO (18 years ago, 13-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Jude Beaudin
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| | | | | | (...) It is no different than our toilets flushing in the opposite direction. We like to pay our money first, then find out what we spent it on. ;) Jude (18 years ago, 13-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Todd Thuma
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| | | | (...) Marc, Yes, volunteers pay their full way. In the spirit of full disclosure, as an organizer, I recevied one embroidered shirt from Joe as part of an effort to place all coordinators in one common, distinctive shirt, so that they could be (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Marc Nelson Jr.
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| | | | | (...) Joe's number for public attendance was (URL) 3000>. I thought admission was $7, for a total of $21000, but if admission was $10, that makes $30000. (...) I am curious about that. Who are the owners of the Brickfest trademark and how much are (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Marc Nelson Jr.
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| | | | | | | (...) Ah - admission was $7 for a single day, $10 for both days. Assuming that Joe meant 3000 paid admissions and not 3000 clicks of the turnstile, the take was somewhere between $21000 and $30000, probably on the lower end of that (I'm guessing (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Todd Thuma
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| | | | | | (...) Remember that the hotel got their money. Please do not misunderstand me, because I have no idea how much they got, but the hotel did not agree to allow an unspecified number of people to come walking in the facility without taking a cut of the (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees (was: LEGO Adult Fan Convention at Legoland California?) —Todd Thuma
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| | | | | | (...) Actually, Marc in his post may have more uptodate information: (URL) the group of four has chaned. Todd (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees —Thomas Stangl
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| | | | (...) Todd, is that $500 correct?? If so, if there is money left over from this year, I HIGHLY recommend investigating purchasing at least one projector, as they have gotten pretty cheap these days, it might even be cheaper to buy several compared (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees —Todd Thuma
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| | | | (...) Yes, the figure is correct. I was told it to me by the AV company directly. One thing you forget is a lot of cities, states, and facilities have unions or contractual agreements in place that would prevent us from using our own gear. In fact I (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees —Tommy Armstrong
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| | | | | (...) My reply is that it just goes to show that Joe negotiated a very good contract with the hotel. I cannot believe any other event will be able to negotiate better prices for a four star hotel room than $89/ night including free parking, and (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest)
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| | | | | | Re: BrickFest registration fees —Jordan Bradford
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| | | | In lugnet.events, Todd Thuma wrote: . . . a bunch of stuff about the hidden costs of convention center unions . . . snipped! Eric Sink (a software developer) wrote a great article about trade shows: (URL) Much of what he has to say and what Todd (...) (18 years ago, 12-Sep-06, to lugnet.events, lugnet.events.brickfest, FTX)
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