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| | | Hi all, Well, as much as it pains me to say it, unless Lugnet changes the way it runs the forums (i.e. signup easy and intuitive, no authorization emails), I think we may need to change venues to avoid the potential alienation of new (...) (14 years ago, 27-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: Forum shift —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | (...) I can understand the problems with staying with Lugnet, but if we switch, then please pick some software which still allows both NNTP, SMTP and HTTP access. Play well, Jacob (14 years ago, 27-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: Forum shift —Scott Wardlaw
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| | | | | Though I don't yet agree, I have noticed a serious drop in new involvement. I also must admit my own lack of involvement. LUGNET was once the only place to discuss each LEGO topic, but has not done its part to keep up with modern technology and (...) (14 years ago, 27-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Tore Eriksson
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| | | | | | (...) The gigantic advantage with Lugnet IMO is that I never have log in here to post, once I registred several yesrs ago. It may have been a pain then, I don't even remember... But of course, if I'm the only one to experience it this way, it (...) (14 years ago, 29-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: Forum shift —Willy Tschager
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| | | | | (...) If this means that will have a forum attached to www.ldraw.org MOVE, if it means that we move to www.xxxx.com/LdrawForum we'd better stay. The homepage at Lugnet.com features an article dated "5 June 2009" (by the way CAD still features the (...) (14 years ago, 28-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Tore Eriksson
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| | | | | | (...) NOT if it means as painfully slow as the rest of www.ldraw.org. /Tore (14 years ago, 28-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Scott Wardlaw
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| | | | | | (...) I'll second that! (14 years ago, 28-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: Forum shift —Benjamin Ellermann
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| | | | | (...) It would be great if fans decided to overhaul all of the lugnet forums to a new format. (The current forum should be saved somewhere as an archive of past fan activity.) The PHPbb forum format seems to be the most widely used type across the (...) (14 years ago, 28-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Orion Pobursky
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| | | | | | | (...) I'm a strong opponent of the non-threaded BB style. (...) Agreed. (...) Thanks but I have the ability to add this to the site so it would be located at LDraw.org. -Orion (14 years ago, 28-Oct-10, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | | | | (...) But that doesn't have an NNTP port, does it? Or email digests? I find reading lugnet through a news reader (Outlook Express, XanaNews, whatever) is a much better experience than trying to read EuroBricks, for example. There's a much better (...) (14 years ago, 28-Oct-10, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Orion Pobursky
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| | | | | | | | (...) My main sticking point with NNTP is the authentication emails. They are annoying, very annoying but unavoidable due to the inherent spoofing problems with NNTP. -Orion (14 years ago, 29-Oct-10, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | | (...) There's no f*#$ing reason for authentication emails. NNTP has a good and fine password authentication mechanism built in. Jacob (14 years ago, 29-Oct-10, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —David Gregory
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| | | | | | | | (...) As of just a few days ago, I've been a LUGNET member for 10 years. In that time I've posted hundreds of messages, and I've never once had to use any kind of "authentication email." I'm not sure what you're doing wrong to get something like (...) (14 years ago, 30-Oct-10, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | (...) Does your username and password also work for a NNTP connection to Lugnet? (That would be new - but very helpful - to me.) Or are you talking about the web interface? Play well, Jacob (14 years ago, 30-Oct-10, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —David Gregory
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| | | | | | | | (...) I've never used the NNTP. When I click on it, I see the same messages that I see on LUGNET through a browser (including ones I've posted [through a browser interface]). Is there any kind of advantage to using the NNTP instead of the web (...) (14 years ago, 31-Oct-10, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I would have expected your browser to launch a general purpose NNTP client such as Gnus, Pan, Thunderbird or Outlook. (...) If the only newsgroups you read are those on Lugnet, then the only benefit to using a general purpose NNTP client would (...) (14 years ago, 31-Oct-10, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I used to use NNTP for Lugnet, and for several other groups as well, but I gave up using it for Lugnet long ago (soon after the auth emails were implemented I believe) and over the last couple of years, all the groups I used it for have moved (...) (14 years ago, 1-Nov-10, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Chris Gray
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| | | | | | | | (...) (Keep in mind that I'm a very old fogey who has been using NNTP stuff for decades.) The advantage to me is that I don't have to use a web browser to do it. :-) I run my browser with Javascript turned off virtually all the time. So, I tend to (...) (14 years ago, 2-Nov-10, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Jeffrey Findley
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| | | | | | (...) #1 This might seem like a good idea, but it is a hard thing to enforce. How do admins *know* what they're getting is a real name? Better that admins be active and enforce the rules by warning and banning posters, when appropriate. #2 I (...) (14 years ago, 1-Nov-10, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Forum shift —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | (...) At the risk of seeming snarky, how many new members have joined LUGNET in the past month? Three months? Six months? (14 years ago, 28-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Richie Dulin
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| | | | | | | (...) 14, 39 and 137 have taken the trouble to join in those periods - so clearly people are able to negotiate the sign up procedure (and are motivated to do so). I think it's reasonable to assume that the are several more readers, but I could be (...) (14 years ago, 28-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Benjamin Ellermann
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Many people read lugnet regularly but few post. This is why the term "lurknet" was coined several year ago. Improving Lugnet's "ease of use" would increase posting activity here. An active team of site administrators and moderators (to post (...) (14 years ago, 29-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Do you really think that adding moderation to a dead forum will revive it? That's the equivalent of trying to bring someone back from a coma by reading them the ten commandments. I'd prefer to stay in the coma than return to that. Tim (14 years ago, 29-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Scott Wardlaw
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| | | | | | | | | (...) There are two types of memberships here...which is also very confusing! As I remember it was fairly easy to become a regular member, but that did not allow posting. A membership that allowed you to post was a different and more difficult (...) (14 years ago, 29-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I think you may be confused - as far as I know there has only ever been 1 flavour of membership (see (URL) And you do not have to be a member to post, you just need to go through the posting setup process (see (URL) I do agree that is a little (...) (14 years ago, 29-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Scott Wardlaw
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I think you just confirmed what I just said...after getting membership, you still can not post messages. You have to jump through another hoop (that is not obvious) with confirmation emails and the like. Call it two flavors of membership, or (...) (14 years ago, 30-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) As I said, I agree. And you've re-highlighted something that is not obvious, and not easy to figure out for newbies - you do not have to be a member[1] to post, something which seems to be the norm on the vast majority of modern forum sites. (...) (14 years ago, 30-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) You remember totally wrong. Anyone, member of lugnet or not, can/could sign up for posting. The only difference is that 'real' (paying) members don't have to reply to the confirmation email for each post they do. Which isn't a hassle at all, (...) (14 years ago, 31-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Orion Pobursky
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Except that, for most, the web interface is the way they use LUGNET. In addition, I use a separate email client and newsreader so I'm sure there are others like me. The bottom line is that I feel that the authentication emails are an undo (...) (14 years ago, 31-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) The authentication emails have NOTHING whatsoever to do with NNTP. A properly configured NNTP server uses usernames and passwords for authentication. (And lazy b******s circumvent the authentication emails with an intelligent autoreplier.) So (...) (14 years ago, 2-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Orion Pobursky
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) People have been asking for change for years with no visible effort being put into this. I'm tired of waiting. Maybe you can try? -Orion (14 years ago, 2-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) That's a fair request. I'll get in touch with our friendly system administrators. Play well, Jacob (14 years ago, 2-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) As I recall, the NNTP engine for LUGNET wasn't something that Todd custom-wrote (like the web interface), but was a build of some already-existing implementation, which could be why it's a little less accessible. I remember hunting around for (...) (14 years ago, 2-Nov-10, to lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I would expect that any old NNTP server can be plugged in instead, if the one Todd originally selected doesn't support access by username and password. (...) Why should that be necessary? Shouldn't it be enough to hook the password checker of (...) (14 years ago, 3-Nov-10, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift — Gereon Stein
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Hi all, I have taken a bit of time to follow the discussion as this is about a subject that René and I have been talking over on some occasions but without any final decisions yet. (...) Actually, the NNTP server in use is a fairly old but very (...) (14 years ago, 3-Nov-10, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Good to know. (Personally I only have experience with running INN.) (...) How many security holes have been found in CNEWS (or INN for that matter) over the last 10 years? I don't believe it is a likely point of entry for hackers. (...) Should (...) (14 years ago, 3-Nov-10, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I took a look at the archives of the debian-security-announce mailing-list from 2001 up to today. I couldn't find a single security report on CNEWS (and only one 2001 local vulnerability in INN). Play well, Jacob (13 years ago, 27-Jun-11, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Apologies, I wasn't talking about totally overhauling the NNTP system, I was talking about using what's available-- IE, the member passwords, which are the only passwords currently on the LUGNET interface to my knowledge. If you're talking (...) (14 years ago, 3-Nov-10, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Hi Anders, We've established this was just a difference in terminology - Scott was calling the "posting setup" a membership as well, which it sort-of is, but us anal geeks want everyone to use the terminology we're used to (that was used by (...) (14 years ago, 1-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Allen Smith
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| | | | | | | | (...) Wow, I didn't know you could still actually join Lugnet. Somehow I'd gotten the impression that process had fallen into neglect before I started posting here. So I've been putting up with those authentication e-mails needlessly all these (...) (14 years ago, 29-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Orion Pobursky
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| | | | | | | | (...) No Allen, you can't become a member anymore. You can do the posting setup and "join" but unless you're a member you still have to put up with the authentication emails. -Orion (14 years ago, 1-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Why can't that be fixed? Seems like it would solve part of the problem. (14 years ago, 2-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX) !
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| | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) At the risk of seeming snarky, how come you are such a (URL) Blokhead>, Dave!? JOHN (14 years ago, 3-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Forum shift —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | (...) As I see it if we keep the discussion here we will be talking to an increasingly smaller pool of old LDraw users and neglecting the newer ones. I'm very much in support of this move. Tim (14 years ago, 29-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: Forum shift —Orion Pobursky
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| | | | | (...) Ok, I like the discussion going on. I've setup a test forum on my own website. This won't be the final product by any means but I though I'd share what I've done. (URL) do things are theme as appropriate and figure out if I can link other (...) (14 years ago, 30-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Orion, The new forum looks nice, slick and easy to use. Can it support single sign-in? Facebook Connect, Google, Twitter. While not absolutely necessary, it's easier and easier to implement this now, and it helps in terms of attracting new (...) (14 years ago, 5-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: Forum shift — Rene Hoffmeister
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| | | | | (...) Hi all, this isn't an attempt to keep you staying here. I'd just like to confirm that it's still possible to get the $10-membership which allows you to keep you signed in (no auth emails). I keep track of new members and forgotten passwords, (...) (14 years ago, 3-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Philippe Hurbain
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| | | | | | | (...) Good to know! I love this place... Philo (14 years ago, 3-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Orion Pobursky
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| | | | | | | | (...) I love this place too. However, my desire to expand LDraw's accessibility overrides my love of Lugnet. That said, I can wait for Rene to implement changes. -Orion (14 years ago, 3-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —John Neal
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| | | | | | | (...) Thanks for posting, René. LUGNET is a very special place IMO and I'm glad to see that those who are running it are committed to its future! JOHN (14 years ago, 3-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Forum shift —Jacob Sparre Andersen
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| | | | | | (...) That sounds very good. But maybe we should make it more visible? (I'm a member already, so I don't know how visible it is to non-members.) (...) That's very good to hear. Play well, Jacob (14 years ago, 6-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: Forum shift —Matthew Burdett
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| | | | (...) Hello LUGNET! After five years of on/off trying, I appear to have done the impossible - actually {post} to LUGNET! I am so pleased to see a germ of life spark into this place once again; I confess I have moved over to Eurobricks these days, (...) (14 years ago, 9-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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