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Hi all, Well, as much as it pains me to say it, unless Lugnet changes the way it runs the forums (i.e. signup easy and intuitive, no authorization emails), I think we may need to change venues to avoid the potential alienation of new (...) (14 years ago, 27-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I can understand the problems with staying with Lugnet, but if we switch, then please pick some software which still allows both NNTP, SMTP and HTTP access. Play well, Jacob (14 years ago, 27-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Though I don't yet agree, I have noticed a serious drop in new involvement. I also must admit my own lack of involvement. LUGNET was once the only place to discuss each LEGO topic, but has not done its part to keep up with modern technology and (...) (14 years ago, 27-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) If this means that will have a forum attached to www.ldraw.org MOVE, if it means that we move to www.xxxx.com/LdrawForum we'd better stay. The homepage at Lugnet.com features an article dated "5 June 2009" (by the way CAD still features the (...) (14 years ago, 28-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) NOT if it means as painfully slow as the rest of www.ldraw.org. /Tore (14 years ago, 28-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) It would be great if fans decided to overhaul all of the lugnet forums to a new format. (The current forum should be saved somewhere as an archive of past fan activity.) The PHPbb forum format seems to be the most widely used type across the (...) (14 years ago, 28-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I'm a strong opponent of the non-threaded BB style. (...) Agreed. (...) Thanks but I have the ability to add this to the site so it would be located at LDraw.org. -Orion (14 years ago, 28-Oct-10, to lugnet.general)
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(...) But that doesn't have an NNTP port, does it? Or email digests? I find reading lugnet through a news reader (Outlook Express, XanaNews, whatever) is a much better experience than trying to read EuroBricks, for example. There's a much better (...) (14 years ago, 28-Oct-10, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I'll second that! (14 years ago, 28-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) At the risk of seeming snarky, how many new members have joined LUGNET in the past month? Three months? Six months? (14 years ago, 28-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) 14, 39 and 137 have taken the trouble to join in those periods - so clearly people are able to negotiate the sign up procedure (and are motivated to do so). I think it's reasonable to assume that the are several more readers, but I could be (...) (14 years ago, 28-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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(...) Many people read lugnet regularly but few post. This is why the term "lurknet" was coined several year ago. Improving Lugnet's "ease of use" would increase posting activity here. An active team of site administrators and moderators (to post (...) (14 years ago, 29-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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(...) As I see it if we keep the discussion here we will be talking to an increasingly smaller pool of old LDraw users and neglecting the newer ones. I'm very much in support of this move. Tim (14 years ago, 29-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) The gigantic advantage with Lugnet IMO is that I never have log in here to post, once I registred several yesrs ago. It may have been a pain then, I don't even remember... But of course, if I'm the only one to experience it this way, it (...) (14 years ago, 29-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) There are two types of memberships here...which is also very confusing! As I remember it was fairly easy to become a regular member, but that did not allow posting. A membership that allowed you to post was a different and more difficult (...) (14 years ago, 29-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) My main sticking point with NNTP is the authentication emails. They are annoying, very annoying but unavoidable due to the inherent spoofing problems with NNTP. -Orion (14 years ago, 29-Oct-10, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Do you really think that adding moderation to a dead forum will revive it? That's the equivalent of trying to bring someone back from a coma by reading them the ten commandments. I'd prefer to stay in the coma than return to that. Tim (14 years ago, 29-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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(...) I think you may be confused - as far as I know there has only ever been 1 flavour of membership (see (URL) And you do not have to be a member to post, you just need to go through the posting setup process (see (URL) I do agree that is a little (...) (14 years ago, 29-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) There's no f*#$ing reason for authentication emails. NNTP has a good and fine password authentication mechanism built in. Jacob (14 years ago, 29-Oct-10, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Wow, I didn't know you could still actually join Lugnet. Somehow I'd gotten the impression that process had fallen into neglect before I started posting here. So I've been putting up with those authentication e-mails needlessly all these (...) (14 years ago, 29-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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(...) As of just a few days ago, I've been a LUGNET member for 10 years. In that time I've posted hundreds of messages, and I've never once had to use any kind of "authentication email." I'm not sure what you're doing wrong to get something like (...) (14 years ago, 30-Oct-10, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I think you just confirmed what I just said...after getting membership, you still can not post messages. You have to jump through another hoop (that is not obvious) with confirmation emails and the like. Call it two flavors of membership, or (...) (14 years ago, 30-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Does your username and password also work for a NNTP connection to Lugnet? (That would be new - but very helpful - to me.) Or are you talking about the web interface? Play well, Jacob (14 years ago, 30-Oct-10, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Ok, I like the discussion going on. I've setup a test forum on my own website. This won't be the final product by any means but I though I'd share what I've done. (URL) do things are theme as appropriate and figure out if I can link other (...) (14 years ago, 30-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) As I said, I agree. And you've re-highlighted something that is not obvious, and not easy to figure out for newbies - you do not have to be a member[1] to post, something which seems to be the norm on the vast majority of modern forum sites. (...) (14 years ago, 30-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I've never used the NNTP. When I click on it, I see the same messages that I see on LUGNET through a browser (including ones I've posted [through a browser interface]). Is there any kind of advantage to using the NNTP instead of the web (...) (14 years ago, 31-Oct-10, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I would have expected your browser to launch a general purpose NNTP client such as Gnus, Pan, Thunderbird or Outlook. (...) If the only newsgroups you read are those on Lugnet, then the only benefit to using a general purpose NNTP client would (...) (14 years ago, 31-Oct-10, to lugnet.general)
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(...) You remember totally wrong. Anyone, member of lugnet or not, can/could sign up for posting. The only difference is that 'real' (paying) members don't have to reply to the confirmation email for each post they do. Which isn't a hassle at all, (...) (14 years ago, 31-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Except that, for most, the web interface is the way they use LUGNET. In addition, I use a separate email client and newsreader so I'm sure there are others like me. The bottom line is that I feel that the authentication emails are an undo (...) (14 years ago, 31-Oct-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Hi Anders, We've established this was just a difference in terminology - Scott was calling the "posting setup" a membership as well, which it sort-of is, but us anal geeks want everyone to use the terminology we're used to (that was used by (...) (14 years ago, 1-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I used to use NNTP for Lugnet, and for several other groups as well, but I gave up using it for Lugnet long ago (soon after the auth emails were implemented I believe) and over the last couple of years, all the groups I used it for have moved (...) (14 years ago, 1-Nov-10, to lugnet.general)
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(...) No Allen, you can't become a member anymore. You can do the posting setup and "join" but unless you're a member you still have to put up with the authentication emails. -Orion (14 years ago, 1-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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(...) #1 This might seem like a good idea, but it is a hard thing to enforce. How do admins *know* what they're getting is a real name? Better that admins be active and enforce the rules by warning and banning posters, when appropriate. #2 I (...) (14 years ago, 1-Nov-10, to lugnet.general)
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(...) The authentication emails have NOTHING whatsoever to do with NNTP. A properly configured NNTP server uses usernames and passwords for authentication. (And lazy b******s circumvent the authentication emails with an intelligent autoreplier.) So (...) (14 years ago, 2-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) People have been asking for change for years with no visible effort being put into this. I'm tired of waiting. Maybe you can try? -Orion (14 years ago, 2-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That's a fair request. I'll get in touch with our friendly system administrators. Play well, Jacob (14 years ago, 2-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.general)
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(...) Why can't that be fixed? Seems like it would solve part of the problem. (14 years ago, 2-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX) !
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(...) As I recall, the NNTP engine for LUGNET wasn't something that Todd custom-wrote (like the web interface), but was a build of some already-existing implementation, which could be why it's a little less accessible. I remember hunting around for (...) (14 years ago, 2-Nov-10, to lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) (Keep in mind that I'm a very old fogey who has been using NNTP stuff for decades.) The advantage to me is that I don't have to use a web browser to do it. :-) I run my browser with Javascript turned off virtually all the time. So, I tend to (...) (14 years ago, 2-Nov-10, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I would expect that any old NNTP server can be plugged in instead, if the one Todd originally selected doesn't support access by username and password. (...) Why should that be necessary? Shouldn't it be enough to hook the password checker of (...) (14 years ago, 3-Nov-10, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Hi all, I have taken a bit of time to follow the discussion as this is about a subject that René and I have been talking over on some occasions but without any final decisions yet. (...) Actually, the NNTP server in use is a fairly old but very (...) (14 years ago, 3-Nov-10, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Good to know. (Personally I only have experience with running INN.) (...) How many security holes have been found in CNEWS (or INN for that matter) over the last 10 years? I don't believe it is a likely point of entry for hackers. (...) Should (...) (14 years ago, 3-Nov-10, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Hi all, this isn't an attempt to keep you staying here. I'd just like to confirm that it's still possible to get the $10-membership which allows you to keep you signed in (no auth emails). I keep track of new members and forgotten passwords, (...) (14 years ago, 3-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Good to know! I love this place... Philo (14 years ago, 3-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Apologies, I wasn't talking about totally overhauling the NNTP system, I was talking about using what's available-- IE, the member passwords, which are the only passwords currently on the LUGNET interface to my knowledge. If you're talking (...) (14 years ago, 3-Nov-10, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I love this place too. However, my desire to expand LDraw's accessibility overrides my love of Lugnet. That said, I can wait for Rene to implement changes. -Orion (14 years ago, 3-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Thanks for posting, René. LUGNET is a very special place IMO and I'm glad to see that those who are running it are committed to its future! JOHN (14 years ago, 3-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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(...) At the risk of seeming snarky, how come you are such a (URL) Blokhead>, Dave!? JOHN (14 years ago, 3-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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(...) Orion, The new forum looks nice, slick and easy to use. Can it support single sign-in? Facebook Connect, Google, Twitter. While not absolutely necessary, it's easier and easier to implement this now, and it helps in terms of attracting new (...) (14 years ago, 5-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That sounds very good. But maybe we should make it more visible? (I'm a member already, so I don't know how visible it is to non-members.) (...) That's very good to hear. Play well, Jacob (14 years ago, 6-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Hello LUGNET! After five years of on/off trying, I appear to have done the impossible - actually {post} to LUGNET! I am so pleased to see a germ of life spark into this place once again; I confess I have moved over to Eurobricks these days, (...) (14 years ago, 9-Nov-10, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I took a look at the archives of the debian-security-announce mailing-list from 2001 up to today. I couldn't find a single security report on CNEWS (and only one 2001 local vulnerability in INN). Play well, Jacob (13 years ago, 27-Jun-11, to lugnet.admin.general)
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