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Re: Flogs, flogging, floggers, brags, bragging, braggers
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lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.terms
Date: 
Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:55:24 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek writes:
I thought you weren't going to debate this?

I either lied or changed my mind.  You decide.

In lugnet.admin.general, Eric Joslin writes:
In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek writes:

Todd is, and
he weighed in and agreed that it seemed to be a flog.

And Todd never changes his mind? Seemed to be != is, necessarily.

Todd has been known to chance his mind, yes.  Until he does, let's agree that
by his definition, this was a flog.  He said so in
http://news.lugnet.com/admin/general/?n=8950:

Todd Lehman wrote:

But it's also a flog, IMHO.

Since Todd's definition is pretty much the law on Lugnet, until he changes his
mind, your post was a flog, and I will continue to refer to it as such.  I know
you aren't real big on following "rules" and "laws"- maybe this is a good time
for you to work on that.

and probably shouldn't have been made
in the form and group it was made in.

Doesn't yet follow.

Does indeed follow, please see Todd's post again.  Todd ID'ed it as a flog, and
further cite Todd's post at:

http://news.lugnet.com/admin/general/?n=2907

as evidence that such a flog does not belong in a themed group.

Besides, let's take apart what you posted, shall we?

From:  http://news.lugnet.com/trains/?n=10097

In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
In lugnet.trains, Steven  Barile writes:

Thanks, and now can we discuss something else like... who built a killer
train out of all these bulk packs we've been begging for for the last 3
years!

Well, since you asked. Twice, no less...

I did. (1) Here you go:

http://www.miltontrainworks.com/item_info.html#MTW-3002-bu

How do I know it's killer? I'm almost out of my first production run
already... But then what else would you expect from Milton Train Works,
*the* premier custom train kit purveyor?? Other people may have released
models before I did (2), other people may have released models that cost
less(3), but no one has a better or broader train product range. Not even
LEGO(r). At least not yet anyway.

Can you explain how the following bits:

But then what else would you expect from Milton Train Works,
*the* premier custom train kit purveyor??

One definition of a killer model is that it comes from a killer source. This
brag is defending in advance the possible assertion that the source isn't
killer.

and

Other people may have released
models before I did (2), other people may have released models that cost
less(3), but no one has a better or broader train product range. Not even
LEGO(r). At least not yet anyway.

Ditto. Further, this is an attempt to support the assertion that the TLC
model range isn't that great at this point and the custom builders as a
group, and me specifically, are hitting the target market better than TLC
does. And that  supports the assertion that the doodlebug is a killer model
worthy of, dare I say it, adulation.

are an answer, in any way, to a question about "killer models" rather than a
flog for your items for sale?

See above.

Jesus.  As a friend of mine used to say:  "Man is not a rational animal, man is
a *rationalising* animal."

That makes no sense at all.  The source of a model has no bearing on how good
it actually is.  Stephen Spielberg is a "killer director".  Hook was not a
"killer movie".

Your grasping, desperate argument holds no water.  Sorry.

As I said in a part you snipped, I consider this point the most important
one in this debate. Mentioning something is NOT flogging it, in and of
itself.

No, it's not.  But there comes a point when you have to question the motivation
of the post.  This one reached that point and exceeded it.

Wasn't this "I don't have enough time" defense thouroughly shot down the last
time someone complained about your flogging habits?

No. Because I don't flog, so you need to say "alleged flogging habits", and
because it wasn't shot down.

Once again, your powers of denial are incredible.  I think you may find that
you are the only one who feels that was the outcome of your last flogging
event.

Hope that helps. If this is getting you worked up, you may want to just
ignore it till it comes to some resolution.

Your concern for my status is both noted and appreciated, but you don't need to
worry about me.  I find myself, unexpectedly, with time to devote to it, since
the rest of the office stayed home today.  That's all.

eric



Message has 2 Replies:
  Re: Flogs, flogging, floggers, brags, bragging, braggers
 
(...) agreeing that it was, in addition to being a flog, a brag. IMHO. IOW, brag + flog != flog Not that that makes it any better or worse. Just clarifying what I meant. ^^Todd (24 years ago, 5-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.terms)
  Re: Flogs, flogging, floggers, brags, bragging, braggers
 
In lugnet.admin.general, Eric Joslin writes: <snip> I said what I had to say about this. I did not intend this to be a flog. It may be perceived by some as that, but it was intended as boasting, nothing more. I tried to explain in more detail why it (...) (24 years ago, 6-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.terms)

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  Re: Flogs, flogging, floggers, brags, bragging, braggers
 
I thought you weren't going to debate this? (...) Granted, but I do get to question the definition and point out where I think it's awry. Which is what I'm doing. (...) And Todd never changes his mind? Seemed to be != is, necessarily. (...) So (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.terms)

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