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    who does chris think he is? —Chris Magno
   !!!!!! warning long pent up rant !!!...!!! (...) Kelly, Good morning. I don't think we have formally met. Nice to meet you. Please excuse any and all poor typo-s and bad spelling. Even thought I type like a 12 year old, rest assure I am not. With (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto) ! 
   
        Re: who does chris think he is? —David Koudys
     In lugnet.admin.general, Chris Magno wrote: <snip> (...) I personally haven't ginven this alotta thought, but I have put a little mind CPU into it, butwhat Chris stated--pretty much dead on--what are the exact rules? Where is that proverbial line (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
   
        Re: who does chris think he is? —Scott Lyttle
     (snip) Chris, do you have kids? If so, do you let them swear and curse anywhere they choose? I think you realize that the censorship really has more to do with being decent than anything else. As Lugnet tries to be a place that is friendly to all, (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
    
         Re: who does chris think he is? —Chris Magno
      (...) HI Scott. I have to say; i have met MORE people here recently than I have in a very long time. YES. I have Kids. www.themagnofamily.com When I get to that bridge, my intention is to teach my kids something about "right time, right place." (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
     
          Re: who does chris think he is? —David Koudys
       In lugnet.admin.general, Chris Magno wrote: <snip> (...) Those dastardly forgin languages!!! Dave K -picture it done with a Swedish accent and maybe you'llbegin to see why I'm smilin' right now... (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
     
          Re: who does chris think he is? —Calum Tsang
       (...) Some would say that you don't need those seven to make any point that's worth making. I mean, when Madeline Albright or Paul Martin stood before the United Nations, I didn't see them using those magic seven, did they? I don't see lawyers using (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
      
           Re: who does chris think he is? —David Koudys
        In lugnet.admin.general, Calum Tsang wrote: <snip> (...) Didn't someone state recently that you had dreamy eyes? Well, I can't attest to that but as far as I'm concerned, you are an excellent voice o' reason! Nicely done. Dave K -who has a Geroge (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
      
           Re: who does chris think he is? —Chris Magno
       (...) Calum, You make some excellent points. I can even see that wishy-washy-easily-swayed Dave K says that you are right. BUT, Calum, you made my point in your very last sentence. At no point have I ever(STRESS EVER) advocated that I want to swear (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
      
           Re: who does chris think he is? —C. L. GunningCook
        (...) Calum I am sure you knew this would be coming as soon as you listed names of people that make a point without profanity..... but here it is anyway. (...) Yes, *SOME* would say that..... (...) BUT *I* would say.... I can see your point, and I (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
       
            Re: who does chris think he is? —Larry Pieniazek
         (...) maybe! I snipped the rest away. I think both sides have made good points and I don't want to respond point by point. Instead I want to touch on a theme. In an ideal world the only rule LUGNET would ever need would be "be excellent to each (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
        
             Re: who does chris think he is? —Orion Pobursky
         (...) WILD STALLIONS RULE!!!! -Orion (who think that lately LUGNET has been severly lacking in the mirth department) (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
       
            Re: who does chris think he is? —Calum Tsang
        (...) No, but I would expect you'd do something like this, so...carry on! :) (...) For THAT matter, I could also say Emimem or NWA made some excellent points using a LOT of profanity. What I'm trying to get across is, for the subject matter, that (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
      
           Re: who does chris think he is? —Tim Courtney
        (...) Then do it on a server that you own, or one that allows profanity in discussions. The only reason you would have to fear those 'seven people you haven't met' would be because those people are entrusted with the keeping of this sandbox, which (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
       
            Re: who does chris think he is? —Orion Pobursky
         (...) I know that the admins set the rules and I know LUGNET is "non-free" in terms of the types expression allowed but I think the above opinion is very arrogant (that's not to say that you, Tim, are arrogant since I know you are not). The above (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
        
             Re: who does chris think he is? —Tim Courtney
         (...) I didn't mean to imply that profanity is always wrong. I tend to agree with Larry's view on profanity use [1] and also agree (strongly) with Kelly's view of "free speech" on LUGNET [2]. My comment wasn't meant to address what was profanity and (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
        
             Effeet insults 101 was (Re: who does chris think he is?) —Joseph Greene
         (...) Um, if you need to resort to profanity, then I submit that you have already lost the argument. Profanity itself is the use of socially agreed upon words which have no real meaning in any given situation, but rather express distaste in a (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
        
             Re: Effeet insults 101 was (Re: who does chris think he is?) —Ross Crawford
         (...) Who said anything about argument? I often use words in normal conversation that would probably be considered profane here. ROSCO (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
        
             Re: Effeet insults 101 was (Re: who does chris think he is?) —Joseph Greene
         (...) As do many people, but what most, while doing so, don't realize is that they are on some level arguing for or against something. Whether the argument is with the 2 $^#$%$#^ bricks that won't separate or the @#$^& thing you dislike (for (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
       
            Re: who does chris think he is? —Calum Tsang
        (...) I think the general idea is that Chris (and to some part myself) is threatened by the idea that those rulesetters won't make Lugnet a place where we'd want to stick around. Lugnet has been fantastic for us for a very long time, but the current (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
      
           Re: who does chris think he is? —Calum Tsang
       (...) And what I'm saying is, you don't NEED to. It's like saying, should I ever NEED to blow up a small sovereign nation, I want to always have access to a nuclear weapon (since everyone likes to call it the "F-Bomb" (?!#!@#)). It should never get (...) (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
      
           Re: who does chris think he is? —Kyle D. Jackson
       (...) Exactly. It lacks class. KDJ ___...___ LUGNETer #203 (20 years ago, 26-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
     
          Re: who does chris think he is? —Pete White
      (...) On late-night television I saw the 'the Seven Samurai'. They were mean dudes. It was in Japanese, but it had subtitles. Oops...I'm not an admin. pete.w (or an admon even, if admon is short for admonish) (20 years ago, 25-Jan-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
    
         Re: who does chris think he is? —C. L. GunningCook
     In lugnet.admin.general, Scott Lyttle wrote: Hello Scott, With all due respect, I do understand your point, but every story has at least two sides to it. (...) I am NOT Chris, but I do have kids. (...) I let them swear in my house, anytime they feel (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
   
        Re: who does chris think he is? —Orion Pobursky
     In lugnet.admin.general, Chris Magno wrote: . <snip> (...) I back you 100% Chris. To quote the guy who came up with the "7 Words": "There are no bad words. Bad people, bad intentions, but the words themselves are not bad." *Everything* must be taken (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
    
         Re: who does chris think he is? —C. L. GunningCook
     (...) I also agree. We need to appreciate the difference in cultures and distinct societies, for example, words, expressions and colloquialisms considered NOT offensive in my country are listed as "offensive", "profantity" or "lude" in other (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto) ! 
    
         Re: who does chris think he is? —Steve Hassenplug
     (...) Just great. Next thing you know, people will spend a week talking about my balls. Steve (20 years ago, 21-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
    
         Re: who does chris think he is? —Derek Raycraft
     (...) I wish we were still talking about your balls. Derek (20 years ago, 21-Jan-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
    
         look at my balls —Steve Hassenplug
     So, I know there's interest in building Great Ball Contraption modules. Who's thinking about bringing something to Brickfest? I really have no idea how much room we're going to need. Actually, I'm thinking we're going to make more than one loop. (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jan-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
    
         Re: look at my balls —David Koudys
      (...) If i'm at BF, I'll bring a few modules... y'knoiw, just so I can play with Steve's balls again... Dave K (20 years ago, 21-Jan-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
    
         Re: look at my balls —Ross Crawford
      (...) Well, I have one on the go, and it's mostly white, which looks like it's a colour you need some of ;) But I doubt it would safely make the trip to BF, and I haven't heard any firm details about BF anyway, so it probably won't be there to even (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jan-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
    
         Re: look at my balls —C. L. GunningCook
      (...) I am in the process of making one, and I told my son the only way he can attend the event with me is to participate in either the GBC or a mindstorms event (hopefully both). So you can count on 2 from the JLUG (weather permitting and all those (...) (20 years ago, 28-Jan-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
    
         Re: look at my balls —Joe Strout
      (...) I've been working on one off and on for weeks now -- which means I've put maybe a total of a couple hours into it. It's not going very well, and here it is almost February already, so I'm no longer confident that I'll have anything ready to (...) (20 years ago, 28-Jan-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
     
          Re: look at my balls —John Barnes
      (...) I think a poll of likely intrepid ball players who plan on bringing one or more GBC modules to BrickFest would be a great idea. It would help to figure out how many modules we might expect to see there. I have a couple of ideas in mind so (...) (20 years ago, 28-Jan-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
     
          Re: look at my balls —Calum Tsang
      (...) What's the plan for BF this year? Anyone know? The only major event we have on our schedule is NMRA in July and I honestly wouldn't mind knowing when BrickFest was... Calum (20 years ago, 29-Jan-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
     
          Re: look at my balls —John Barnes
      (...) I am fairly certain that BrickFest will happen. The only question I know of relates to a possible change of venue. JB (20 years ago, 29-Jan-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
    
         Re: look at my balls —Brian Davis
     (...) Three completed: a 48x48 chain lift that has the balls cascade down a tilted baseplate, a 32x32 with a clock lift (noisy as all getout) that's got room to grow some, a 10x48 that allows the stream to be split if desired, as well as turned 90 (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jan-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
   
        Re: who does chris think he is? Kelly McKiernan
     Hi Chris, nice to meet you. I'd've liked to converse under better circumstances, but needs must dictate. At any rate, you raise some very good points, and I appreciate your honesty. I also understand your need for some of the language, although (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, FTX) !! 
    
         Re: who does chris think he is? —Gerhard R. Istok
     (...) Thanks Kelly, One does not have to be college educated to be able to figure out if one has violated the ToS. I couldn't recite a single item from the ToS, because it has been so long since I read it. But I know the difference between crossing (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, FTX)
    
         Re: who does chris think he is? —Orion Pobursky
     (...) I know the difference between appropriate and inappropriate as well. I'm focusing in on this so called "pofanity" issue that the LUGNET admins seem to circling around like vultures waiting for prey. If they are not then I apologize for making (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
    
         Re: who does chris think he is? —David Koudys
      (...) That reminds me of a few moths ago when I used 'jackass' in a post. It's a word that has been used on 'regular TV' (not cable or after 9 p.m.) but I was offered a polite warning via e-mail. So, on the one hand I'm all for common sense (my (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
    
         Re: who does chris think he is? —Kelly McKiernan
     (...) I agree with your reasoning, words aren't bad. It's all contextual. You can bet we're talking with people whose posts are inappropriate, trigger words or not. It's just that the ones with the f-bomb and such are only the most obvious. The (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
   
        Re: who does chris think he is? —David Eaton
   (...) This sort of highlights something that I wonder about. Are smaller, out-of-the way groups more suitable for otherwise questionable behavior? With things like off-topic.debate, it's skipped by default, so there's less chance that (say) a kid (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, lugnet.admin.terms)
 

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