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In lugnet.admin.general, Orion Pobursky wrote:
> In lugnet.admin.general, Tim Courtney wrote:
> > In lugnet.admin.general, Chris Magno wrote:
> >
> > > ALL I ASK is that if I feel I can best express a F E E L I N G by
> > > using something as harmless as B$#&*^IT, then I dont ever want to have
> > > to fear the wrath of seven people I have never met.
> >
> > Then do it on a server that you own, or one that allows profanity in
> > discussions. The only reason you would have to fear those 'seven people you
> > haven't met' would be because those people are entrusted with the keeping of
> > this sandbox, which you don't own nor do you set the rules in.
>
> I know that the admins set the rules and I know LUGNET is "non-free" in terms of
> the types expression allowed but I think the above opinion is very arrogant
> (that's not to say that you, Tim, are arrogant since I know you are not). The
> above implies that profanity is always wrong, no matter what the circumstances.
> I think this is a very dim view to take since it's not clear on what exactly
> constitutes profanity and that the context of the message is what sets the
> meaning and not the words themselves.
I didn't mean to imply that profanity is always wrong. I tend to agree with
Larry's view on profanity use [1] and also agree (strongly) with Kelly's view of
"free speech" on LUGNET [2].
My comment wasn't meant to address what was profanity and what wasn't, merely
the attitude that Chris was expressing. I read him as saying 'I want to be able
to say a word I don't define as bad but the admins do, and not fear the admins,'
which is the wrong attitude to take here, IMO. This is Todd's sandbox, which he
has allowed us to come in and use. Further, he has selected individuals to help
him maintain order in the sandbox as he can't/doesn't want to go at that task
alone. Those rules and those people need to be respected.
Note that I don't currently have, nor do I particularly desire, the ability to
grant timeouts to members. But, I do support the admin team when they do make
that decision, and do recommend people for timeouts privately.
-Tim
[1] http://news.lugnet.com/admin/general/?n=12236
[2] http://news.lugnet.com/admin/general/?n=12107
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