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Some database fixes for the SW sets: 7171, Mos Espa Podrace: # minifigs = 5 not 4: Anakin Skywalker, R2-D2, Jar Jar Binks, Qui-Gon Jinn, Padme Naberrie 7110, Landspeeder: # of pieces = 47 7130, Snowspeeder: # of pieces = 212 7150, TIE Fighter & (...) (25 years ago, 6-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Nix this fix -- I goofed here. The others are good, though. Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 6-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Heh heh, where did the "not 4" come from? It's currently listed as 7 -- for Anakin, R2, Jar Jar, Qui-Gon, Padme, Sebulba, and Gasgano. (...) Where do the piece counts come from? - Directly from the box (official count)? - From a catalog (...) (25 years ago, 6-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Yah I goofed :-, One of the alien drivers (Gasgano?) is constructed from more-or-less ordinary pieces; is that counted as a minifig? The other driver is a single molded piece, too... (...) Yep. Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 6-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Gasgano has a non-skeleton, new minifig head, atop a "Space Chainsaw Handle" (1), with two pairs of limbs from the new driods (2). (...) I would count him as a figure, only if octopi, manta rays, and cats are too. Cheers, - jsproat 1. Or (...) (25 years ago, 6-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) "When I was a kid" :o) it used to be so simple. :) Well, anyway, the field says "Figures" and not "Minifigs." So if Gasgano is counted, the pit droids should probably count. But the pit droids can't count because they're just regular pieces. (...) (25 years ago, 6-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Hey Todd, the box count for 7150 is 407, I don't have the other boxes handy but I will check them tomorrow night if nobody else does before then. Mike (25 years ago, 6-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) My vote would be to keep the count of figures as the number of mini-figs (of course for Scala this should be the number of dolls, etc). I would not count Sebulba as a figure. There's actually a can of worms here... Why do we have this one (...) (25 years ago, 6-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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Arguably neither Jar Jar nor R2-D2 are minifigs.. minifigs have normal heads which rules out Jar Jar, no? And if R-D2 is one, so is the E1 droid, and so is a skeleton. (...) (25 years ago, 6-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Well, because that's the way Lou started it when he started it. And it's a very popular thing (as in, it's something that a lot of people care about for some reason). Something special about minifigs. (...) Was hoping to (very long-term) get (...) (25 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) There's a real fuzzy line with varying levels of gray. A peg-leg pirate is maybe only 95% a minifig, and a skeleton only 80% a minifig. Gasgano might be 25% and the battle droids 40% and Artoo 10%. Threepio might be 90% but we'll have to wait (...) (25 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) What if you consider a minifig/figure that which is supposedly a sentient character? Another can of worms then, I know, but it's closer. Assuming this definition, it might be prudent to see the movie first to try and determine what fits into (...) (25 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Who defined a minifig as having to have a normal head. And who's defining a normal head? Is darth Vader's head normal? Are only Classic yellow smiley heads normal? Is the ghost's black head w/o facial features a normal head? If we are not (...) (25 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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In lugnet.admin.database, Todd Lehman writes: <clip> (...) Sebula should go in the recycle bin. (1) Ben Gatrelle (1) Of course he can always be restored from the recycle bin, if after the movie I think he's great. (25 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Also, it's important enough at LSI that the count is listed in each set description in the LEGO Shop At Home catalog. This is actually what I suspected to be the original reason Lou tracked them, actually. -- joshua (25 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) That's a good reason too! Say, all this speculation about minifigs and what's natural/useful to track led me to go dig up my first Space set listing that I made when I was a kid. FWIW, here it is exactly* as it appeared around Christmastime of (...) (25 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) I don't think anyone did. Not that such a definition would stick anyway. (...) I (personally) count the Explorien white android as being a minifig. And if/when C-3PO comes out, I'll count him as a minifig too (reserving the right to change (...) (25 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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In lugnet.general, Todd Lehman writes: <clip discussion about what's a minifig or not> (...) it's (...) I agree, Todd. Ben Gatrelle (25 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Personally, I see the acid test as the special torso<->legs connection studs. If it uses those, or has a torso able to accept them, then it's a minifig. (25 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) So the old Castle queen/maiden minfigs with 2x2x2 sloped bricks for dresses pass this test then, right (because they have a torso able to accept the standard leg-connection studs)? (URL) by this rationale, a skeleton is not a minifig then in (...) (25 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I agree it's gray. but to me a minifig has to have the torso capable of accepting legs (per the def'n posted), minifig hands, and a minifig head. I agree that some of the older space fig robots aren't yellow headed, nor is Darth. But I'd call (...) (25 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Actually, doesn't the "minifig" classification fail? They're not action figures (1). Because there are three minifigs on the box, doesn't necessarily mean that you get three minifigs with that set. Swap heads between them, and you get three (...) (25 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Personally, I have Four catagories: Humanoids, Characters, Animals, and The Created(1). Humanoids includes all Minifigs (including Jar-Jar) and Minifig-like figures, like Battle Droids and skeletons. Characters is sorta a catch-all catagory (...) (25 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database, lugnet.starwars)
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But by your definition, JarJar IS a minifig: "I agree it's gray. but to me a minifig has to have the torso capable of accepting legs (per the def'n posted), minifig hands, and a minifig head. " The fact that he doesn't come with a standard minifig (...) (25 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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Jar Jar is a minifig. The only thing non-minifig about him is his head. R2 and the eps1 battle droids should form a new catagory of robots or droids(I mean this in the Ldraw catagorization method) Ryan "Build or build not. There is no try." - Lego (...) (25 years ago, 7-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) No, you're reading it too fast because I wrote it too fast... (...) Capable, HAS, HAS. Jar Jar doesn't HAVE the minifig head, he's only capable of having it. The HASes were implied. (25 years ago, 8-May-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Yes. By my definition. To each his own. (25 years ago, 8-May-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Isn't that kinda being contradictory with Jar Jar? I mean he's got a minifig torso, arms, hands, legs, and even a minifig head, it's just not round. So you would say that if I took off Jar Jar's head and put it on Anakin's body that Anakin (...) (25 years ago, 8-May-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Yup. (...) Ah, nice one. I think I would say that that was a minifig, because of the standard head. (...) The torsos still accept the new-style legs though, don't they? Do they have long neck studs, or did the torso just have a normal stud on (...) (25 years ago, 12-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) According to your arguement, any brick (not plate) can be classified as a minifig. You did not limit the definition of "torso", and all bricks can accept minifig legs. Maybe the only qualifier should be the single long neck stud. (emphasis on (...) (25 years ago, 12-May-99, to lugnet.admin.database, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Yes. (25 years ago, 21-May-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) You do realise that by that logic, any current day minifig is not a minifig by virtue of not having a classic smilie? Or, hell, even by virtue of having arms and movable legs... Jasper (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) ?? You lost me. I think we're talking about current minifigs, not the pre 197x ones, and I'm not too concerned about printing. My thesis, such as it was, is that a minifig has to have a minifig head, of whatever color and printing, but that (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) This kind of makes sense, because a minifig ought to be able to use any and all minifig accessories that it wants to. Jar Jar obviously can't wear hats and helmets. The skeletons /can/ wear whatever they want (and they look really cool in (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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Sorry... but I thought that it was the fact that they were small, lego representations of people that made them mini-figs. Why is this over-analyzed? I say a skeleton IS a mini-fig, just as Jar-Jar is too. They are small figures that fit to a (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) You collect Lego and you have to ask this question?? :-) We analyse everything. This is an anal-ytic hobby. Hyphen deliberate. I love it. Actually, geeks analyse everything. Tell me you're not a geek. I am, and proud of it. Yes, the minifig (...) (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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*sigh* Okay... now at least I know where everyone is coming from.... you're all just crazy! ;-) First there were 'Lego Purists'... now 'Mini-Fig Purists'... why not. -Geoff (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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