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We should be going crazy. Think this over:
-We see old technic and town sets clearly in modern boxes (e.g. labeled city
center)
-We see two pirate sets in all new packaging
-Lego dosn't usually make new packaging for just two sets, or limit them to
one country.
-Whenever Lego makes big sets in a theme, they also make lots of little ones
-Lego dosn't usually ralease things over $50 in only one country
-People may start to get mad that Lego is only selling things they already
have, so Lego will probably also make new sets
If you didn't get one word of that, let me interpret: EITHER PIRATES ARE
COMIN' BACK, OR EVERY THEME WILL HAVE OLD SETS RE-REALEASED (yellow castle?)!
If this IS the july suprise, we may be pleased sooner than we think...
NICK
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In lugnet.pirates, Nick Cameron writes:
> We should be going crazy. Think this over:
>
> -We see old technic and town sets clearly in modern boxes (e.g. labeled city
> center)
>
> -We see two pirate sets in all new packaging
>
> -Lego dosn't usually make new packaging for just two sets, or limit them to
> one country.
>
> -Whenever Lego makes big sets in a theme, they also make lots of little ones
>
> -Lego dosn't usually ralease things over $50 in only one country
>
> -People may start to get mad that Lego is only selling things they already
> have, so Lego will probably also make new sets
>
> If you didn't get one word of that, let me interpret: EITHER PIRATES ARE
> COMIN' BACK, OR EVERY THEME WILL HAVE OLD SETS RE-REALEASED (yellow castle?)!
>
> If this IS the july suprise, we may be pleased sooner than we think...
>
> NICK
I think ill leave going crazy untill I see some of the old 12v or early 9v
trains, in new packaging. This is great news if you are a pirate fan though!
Lee.
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In lugnet.pirates, Nick Cameron writes:
> -We see old technic and town sets clearly in modern boxes (e.g. labeled city
> center)
> -We see two pirate sets in all new packaging
I didn't notice this thread (or the thread that inspired it) until just this
morning. I would be glad to have regular access to the two pirate sets in
question because it means I will likely purchase several more of each (I
think I already have two of each).
But why aren't we going crazy? Well...
Why isn't this being sold on the German Lego site?
Why did they choose two sets from the decline of pirate rather than the
height of the theme line?
Are these actually in production, or are they somehow sitting on a
significant enough of the elements that they were able to develop new
packaging and re-release these ONLY recently out of production sets?
If I knew what it all meant I could be a LOT more excited. If it meant that
Lego was going to be rereleasing older stuff in cycles every year, it would
mean the most to me. My word of mouth advertising on how great Lego was
going to be in the next few years could be pretty extreme. But I just don't
know...
...those sets were NOT the ones to pick. Where is the Skull Eye Schooner,
the Black Seas Barracuda, or even the Eldorado Fortress or the Imperial
Trading Post? If they gave us those, or stuff as good -- O, people would be
going crazy alright!!!
As it is, it just seems like too little too late and what exactly does it
mean...?
-- Hop-Frog
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Man, you have NO IDEA how crazy this is making me!!! I am freakin' out
trying to figure out how to finance the new Potter line, part sets to buy
from current stock, anticipation of new Star Wars and Castle, and NOW I have
to concern myself with the potential return/re-release of new/old sets!?!?
Aaarrgghhhh!!!!! My ID is telling me to do horrible things to my credit
rating!!!! Must exercise control!! Must have Re-released Pirate
(Castle?!?) and Town sets!!!! I am stark raving nuts (happy too) about this
news. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay, I feel better now...
-Aaron-
In lugnet.pirates, Nick Cameron writes:
> We should be going crazy. Think this over:
>
> -We see old technic and town sets clearly in modern boxes (e.g. labeled city
> center)
>
> -We see two pirate sets in all new packaging
>
> -Lego dosn't usually make new packaging for just two sets, or limit them to
> one country.
>
> -Whenever Lego makes big sets in a theme, they also make lots of little ones
>
> -Lego dosn't usually ralease things over $50 in only one country
>
> -People may start to get mad that Lego is only selling things they already
> have, so Lego will probably also make new sets
>
> If you didn't get one word of that, let me interpret: EITHER PIRATES ARE
> COMIN' BACK, OR EVERY THEME WILL HAVE OLD SETS RE-REALEASED (yellow castle?)!
>
> If this IS the july suprise, we may be pleased sooner than we think...
>
> NICK
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In lugnet.pirates, Nick Cameron writes:
> We should be going crazy. Think this over:
>
> -We see old technic and town sets clearly in modern boxes (e.g. labeled city
> center)
> -We see two pirate sets in all new packaging
> -Lego dosn't usually make new packaging for just two sets, or limit them to
> one country.
> -Whenever Lego makes big sets in a theme, they also make lots of little ones
> -Lego dosn't usually ralease things over $50 in only one country
> -People may start to get mad that Lego is only selling things they already
> have, so Lego will probably also make new sets • If you didn't get one word of that, let me interpret: EITHER PIRATES ARE
> COMIN' BACK, OR EVERY THEME WILL HAVE OLD SETS RE-REALEASED (yellow castle?)!
>
> If this IS the july suprise, we may be pleased sooner than we think...
>
> NICK
Some thoughts why I am not going crazy:
- Last year a lot of #6280 were sold at a german toy shop chain, although
the Pirate theme wasn´t listed in the catalogue anymore
- I am always on the lookout for old sets and I have found about 5-6 copys
of #6289 sitting on shelfs in different toyshops
- I have spoken to an owner of a german LEGOshop and he told me that for
some (bigger) old sets TLG is buying back the stock from the shops and is
offering them to big toyshop chains such as ToysRUs or Hertie (german
derpartment store) for 25%-50% of the normal price. This is why Hertie had
loads of the Technic Space Shuttle for DM 140 (about US$ 70) last year.
- My guess is, that they had a lot of these sets left. Maybe all or a part
of them are sets coming back from the shops and my have bruised boxes. This
could be the reason for the new boxes.
- I´d bet that TLG is not re-releasing old sets. They are rather selling old
stock. So hope for the best but don´t expect too much.
...just my 2 Pfennig,
dö - "I´m not even supposed to be here today !"
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Crazy?
Perhaps a bit of an overstatement, but I'm excited to see those new
(old) Pirate ships and that Technic front end loader! Lego has completely
dropped the Technic line, its not on their website and only a tiny number
are in the last catalog I got. I'm VERY EXCITED to see new (old) technic
stuff come back out. Since they seem to have lost the ability to make any
new stuff, it'll be neat to see he old stuff come back! With the Harry
Potter, racer, King Leo and Throwbot effulvia(gag) stuff out there I'm dying
to see more of the stuff that made me love Lego!
IMO,
DLC
In lugnet.pirates, Nick Cameron writes:
> We should be going crazy. Think this over:
>
> -We see old technic and town sets clearly in modern boxes (e.g. labeled city
> center)
>
> -We see two pirate sets in all new packaging
>
> -Lego dosn't usually make new packaging for just two sets, or limit them to
> one country.
>
> -Whenever Lego makes big sets in a theme, they also make lots of little ones
>
> -Lego dosn't usually ralease things over $50 in only one country
>
> -People may start to get mad that Lego is only selling things they already
> have, so Lego will probably also make new sets
>
> If you didn't get one word of that, let me interpret: EITHER PIRATES ARE
> COMIN' BACK, OR EVERY THEME WILL HAVE OLD SETS RE-REALEASED (yellow castle?)!
>
> If this IS the july suprise, we may be pleased sooner than we think...
>
> NICK
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In lugnet.pirates, Dennis Clark writes:
> Crazy?
> Lego has completely dropped the Technic line, its not on their website and
> only a tiny number are in the last catalog I got.
Why aren't we going crazy? I think someone already has! Lego HAVEN'T dropped
the Technic line and it IS on the website, if you know where to look.
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In lugnet.pirates, Ralph Döring writes:
> In lugnet.pirates, Nick Cameron writes:
> > We should be going crazy. Think this over:
> >
> > -We see old technic and town sets clearly in modern boxes (e.g. labeled city
> > center)
> > -We see two pirate sets in all new packaging
> > -Lego dosn't usually make new packaging for just two sets, or limit them to
> > one country.
> > -Whenever Lego makes big sets in a theme, they also make lots of little ones
> > -Lego dosn't usually ralease things over $50 in only one country
> > -People may start to get mad that Lego is only selling things they already
> > have, so Lego will probably also make new sets • If you didn't get one word of that, let me interpret: EITHER PIRATES ARE
> > COMIN' BACK, OR EVERY THEME WILL HAVE OLD SETS RE-REALEASED (yellow castle?)!
> >
> > If this IS the july suprise, we may be pleased sooner than we think...
> >
> > NICK
> Some thoughts why I am not going crazy:
>
> - Last year a lot of #6280 were sold at a german toy shop chain, although
> the Pirate theme wasn´t listed in the catalogue anymore
> - I am always on the lookout for old sets and I have found about 5-6 copys
> of #6289 sitting on shelfs in different toyshops
> - I have spoken to an owner of a german LEGOshop and he told me that for
> some (bigger) old sets TLG is buying back the stock from the shops and is
> offering them to big toyshop chains such as ToysRUs or Hertie (german
> derpartment store) for 25%-50% of the normal price. This is why Hertie had
> loads of the Technic Space Shuttle for DM 140 (about US$ 70) last year.
> - My guess is, that they had a lot of these sets left. Maybe all or a part
> of them are sets coming back from the shops and my have bruised boxes. This
> could be the reason for the new boxes.
> - I´d bet that TLG is not re-releasing old sets. They are rather selling old
> stock. So hope for the best but don´t expect too much.
>
> ...just my 2 Pfennig,
>
> dö - "I´m not even supposed to be here today !"
I'm afraid I have agree. I obtained the forklift, for example, as a
discounted set sold as a Shop at Home Special. Why would Lego reintroduce a
set in new packaging that it had to discount to get rid of in the USA???
Daniel
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In lugnet.pirates, Ralph Döring writes:
> > If this IS the july suprise, we may be pleased sooner than we think...
Well, I suppose technically, this is part of the July surprise.
> - My guess is, that they had a lot of these sets left. Maybe all or a part
> of them are sets coming back from the shops and my have bruised boxes. This
> could be the reason for the new boxes.
> - I´d bet that TLG is not re-releasing old sets. They are rather selling old
> stock. So hope for the best but don´t expect too much.
I sincerely doubt this is old stock. They are re-releasing some older sets.
Jimmy Park
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My heart's pounding, i'm sweating, butterflys in my stomach, July, why
July!? If this is it, I want it now! Imagine the possibities, finnaly some
great sailing ships for my town. Maybe even some good town sets, that great
gas station, my luck they'd have the Shell one too, but i got that all
ready! I think I am going crazy, but everyone says this is what your first
crush on a girl/guy should be like...
Oh well, we'll find out someday...
Josh
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Steven Lane wrote:
>
> In lugnet.pirates, Dennis Clark writes:
> > Crazy?
>
> > Lego has completely dropped the Technic line, its not on their website and
> > only a tiny number are in the last catalog I got.
>
> Why aren't we going crazy? I think someone already has! Lego HAVEN'T dropped
> the Technic line and it IS on the website, if you know where to look.
If you call what they have there Technic, you don't understand the
concept and are too young to know what Technic was/is supposed to be....
take no offense... though what they have listed under technic is a bunch
of crap... throwbots are NOT technic...
Tamy
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In lugnet.pirates, Jimmy Park writes:
> In lugnet.pirates, Ralph Döring writes:
> > > If this IS the july suprise, we may be pleased sooner than we think...
>
> Well, I suppose technically, this is part of the July surprise.
>
> > - My guess is, that they had a lot of these sets left. Maybe all or a part
> > of them are sets coming back from the shops and my have bruised boxes. This
> > could be the reason for the new boxes.
> > - I´d bet that TLG is not re-releasing old sets. They are rather selling old
> > stock. So hope for the best but don´t expect too much.
>
> I sincerely doubt this is old stock. They are re-releasing some older sets.
>
> Jimmy Park
Is LEGO really reissuing old sets? Can we expect an official answer?
I can only assume that all information circulating is true as we should have
heard from one of the LEGO representatives that seem to read and respond SO
frequently here on LUGNET. Sillence seems to suggest that the words by
Jimmy Park are essentially summing things up for them and they may have a
gag order regarding this particular issue. If we could have some kind of
note from Brad Justus as to whether any of this is truth or rumor, I would
sincerely appreciate it.
-Aaron West-
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In lugnet.pirates, Aaron West writes:
> Is LEGO really reissuing old sets? Can we expect an official answer?
> I can only assume that all information circulating is true as we should have
> heard from one of the LEGO representatives that seem to read and respond SO
> frequently here on LUGNET. Sillence seems to suggest that the words by
> Jimmy Park are essentially summing things up for them and they may have a
> gag order regarding this particular issue. If we could have some kind of
> note from Brad Justus as to whether any of this is truth or rumor, I would
> sincerely appreciate it.
> -Aaron West-
Well Aaron, I am in the UK and was just as excited as you, so I went to my
local Lego retailer and they confirmed that they were aware of some special
sets that are scheduled for release later this year. Although they did not
have images the retailer said that he had been told they would be limited
availability and he would need to pre order what he wanted (if any) the
dissapointing part is he may well pass as he considered the sets too
expensive! Which could mean if they don't sell well enough they could be the
first and last new old sets that we see!
He is going to get more details and I will post as and when I get them!
Jason
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If TLC is reissuing old sets those selling old sets not be too happy (EI
held onto a guarded in to sell it on ebay for mucho $, And then TLC
rereleases it in 2001[1]) I will be happy cause hopefully I can get some old
sets again. but a little disapointed cause now anyone can have a cheap army
of black falcons[1] it might wreck havoc on ebay and brick bay etc. (which
can be overpriced)
Oh well I can't wait for the July surprise
John
[1]speculation I don't want anyone to think I have inside information or
somethinig
In lugnet.pirates, Aaron West writes:
> In lugnet.pirates, Jimmy Park writes:
> > In lugnet.pirates, Ralph Döring writes:
> > > > If this IS the july suprise, we may be pleased sooner than we think...
> >
> > Well, I suppose technically, this is part of the July surprise.
> >
> > > - My guess is, that they had a lot of these sets left. Maybe all or a part
> > > of them are sets coming back from the shops and my have bruised boxes. This
> > > could be the reason for the new boxes.
> > > - I´d bet that TLG is not re-releasing old sets. They are rather selling old
> > > stock. So hope for the best but don´t expect too much.
> >
> > I sincerely doubt this is old stock. They are re-releasing some older sets.
> >
> > Jimmy Park
>
> Is LEGO really reissuing old sets? Can we expect an official answer?
> I can only assume that all information circulating is true as we should have
> heard from one of the LEGO representatives that seem to read and respond SO
> frequently here on LUGNET. Sillence seems to suggest that the words by
> Jimmy Park are essentially summing things up for them and they may have a
> gag order regarding this particular issue. If we could have some kind of
> note from Brad Justus as to whether any of this is truth or rumor, I would
> sincerely appreciate it.
> -Aaron West-
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John Carroll wrote:
> If TLC is reissuing old sets those selling old sets not be too happy (EI
> held onto a guarded in to sell it on ebay for mucho $, And then TLC
> rereleases it in 2001[1])
They won't be the same (different set numbers), but besides that, these are toys
we are talking about, not investments. If someone takes a bath from using LEGO as
an investment, well that's the breaks in a market....
> I will be happy cause hopefully I can get some old
> sets again.
That's the whole point:-)
> but a little disapointed cause now anyone can have a cheap army
> of black falcons[1]
John, think about what you just wrote, and how silly and self-serving it was. I
like to think that AFOLs are above such caddiness.
> it might wreck havoc on ebay and brick bay etc. (which
> can be overpriced)
??? Prices will always be determined by supply and demand. Nothing is
overpriced, unless it doesn't sell. High prices merely reflect motivated buyers
(and sometimes clueless ones at that;-)
-John
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Thank you John Neal for bringing this up!
If your into the hobby for pleasure, then that’s great!
If you’re into the hobby for profit and profit alone, get out!
These are TOYS were talking about (Although, some very valuable in nostalgic
worth.) lets not destroy Lego with price speculation and ramped collector
buying. This happened to baseball cards and comics a few years back. People
who didn’t care for the hobby simply bought-in to make a quick profit. This
inflation really hurt the industry once the bubble popped. But, the
individuals who were hurt the most were the fans that enjoyed the hobby and
had to endure the astronomical price increase.
If you enjoy Lego, be happy that more people can find enjoyment in these
classic sets!
--==Richard==--
In lugnet.pirates, John Neal writes:
>
>
> John Carroll wrote:
>
> > If TLC is reissuing old sets those selling old sets not be too happy (EI
> > held onto a guarded in to sell it on ebay for mucho $, And then TLC
> > rereleases it in 2001[1])
>
> They won't be the same (different set numbers), but besides that, these are toys
> we are talking about, not investments. If someone takes a bath from using LEGO as
> an investment, well that's the breaks in a market....
>
> > I will be happy cause hopefully I can get some old
> > sets again.
>
> That's the whole point:-)
>
> > but a little disapointed cause now anyone can have a cheap army
> > of black falcons[1]
>
> John, think about what you just wrote, and how silly and self-serving it was. I
> like to think that AFOLs are above such caddiness.
>
> > it might wreck havoc on ebay and brick bay etc. (which
> > can be overpriced)
>
> ??? Prices will always be determined by supply and demand. Nothing is
> overpriced, unless it doesn't sell. High prices merely reflect motivated buyers
> (and sometimes clueless ones at that;-)
>
> -John
>
> >
> >
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> If TLC is reissuing old sets those selling old sets not be too happy (EI
> held onto a guarded in to sell it on ebay for mucho $,
Then stop holding on to it and sell it now, while there's still
no possible competition from LEGO re-releasing the set.
Or, wait until the sets are no longer being sold by LEGO again. It
just means sitting on your investment a little longer.
Or, accept that not all investments pan out, neither in the
stock market or in the lego world.
Anyway, if you're sitting on a guarded inn, I don't have much
pity - just think how happy someone would be to get that set!
No reason to hold on to it.
> And then TLC
> rereleases it in 2001[1]) I will be happy cause hopefully I can get some old
> sets again. but a little disapointed cause now anyone can have a cheap army
> of black falcons[1]
I will be thrilled that now anyone could have a cheap army of
black falcons! There's absolutely nothing wrong with that!
> it might wreck havoc on ebay
Awwwww.
> and brick bay etc. (which
> can be overpriced)
It can only be good. Downward pressure on the price
of rare sets is a good thing for everyone except the
people who are into LEGO only for profit. The sets you
already own should be just as valuable to you if they
are re-released, because you've had all this time to enjoy
them. And the re-releases may put otherwise impossibly-rare
parts in the hands of auctioneers, which is a good thing -
they have more cool stuff to sell, and parts-buyers have
more cool stuff to buy. It's a *good* thing.
The ONLY possible danger I see to the LEGO community is that
someone might get enraged because a shady auctioneer was
selling a "mint in mint box" old set just to find out that
someone had taken the contents of a re-release and shoved it
in an old box. Even so, that anger would be silly, if the contents
of the set are identical. At that point the elements are
fungible and it would take an extremely particular kind of
collector to worry about that sort of thing. I'm not worried
about that, myself. I see only goodness coming from this!
At least LEGO put new set numbers on the box numbers. There's
not going to be a lot of confusion about what's old and what's
new on the marketplace, really. And I just love the idea of
people being able to acquire classic sets, even if it means that
they are able to acquire them more easily than I did in the past.
Why, that should just give me pause to reflect on how much I've
already enjoyed them, and give me a reason to buy a few more of
the same set in the future.
--
Jeff <jthompson@esker.com> "Float on a river, forever and ever, Emily"
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In lugnet.pirates, John Carroll writes:
> If TLC is reissuing old sets those selling old sets not be too happy (EI
> held onto a guarded in to sell it on ebay for mucho $, And then TLC
> rereleases it in 2001[1]) I will be happy cause hopefully I can get some old
> sets again. but a little disapointed cause now anyone can have a cheap army
> of black falcons[1] it might wreck havoc on ebay and brick bay etc. (which
> can be overpriced)
I have no sympathy for anyone trading in Lego for profit except for TLC
itself (and even then there is a reasonableness in pricing factor),
especially if their ambition is primarily to make $$$ from old MISB sets
(which excludes people who actually play with their Lego even if they have
some MISB sets on the shelf or trade elements and sets to financially
supplement their buying habits). And I agree 100% with all the other
posters as to the artificial inflation of prices and manufactured scarcity
in a supposed "collector's" market. I have paid crazy prices for lego sets
I wanted but I would be ONLY TOO HAPPY to be able to get multiples of the
same sets for far less money! I am into the toy purely for the pleasure of
the play and I have never been into anything for collectible speculation.
And I fail to see how any of us, or especially TLC, owes anything more to
such collectibles vultures beyond the money they have already received
preying upon us AFOL. If there is a profit to be made, let TLC make it --
that helps everyone into the hobby for play purposes.
If you want a truly rare item, make one by customizing your own minifigures!
-- Hop-Frog
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Don't get me wrong I really hope that they are reissuing old early 80's
sets. I want a guarded inn and a large army of black falcons. I'm just
giving reasons why people may not be going crazy.
My minor disapointment is similar to my feelings with Records. I am a DJ
and I have a few very rare test press records, that I got prior to their
official release. After they are officially released by the record
companies my white label is no longer special. Afterwards it is just
another record that everyone else has (sure it is worth more but it sounds
the same). it is the cool factor. "Cool you have the Guarded inn."(etc.)
I don't sell LEGO or collect it for profit, but there is something special
about owning smoething that everyone else wants. If I had more rare (or any
extremely rare) LEGO sets I would be disapointed if everyone else could get
one too.
I know, I know, Whaa whaa. it isn't a big deal. just not everyone will be
super psyched about the reissue of old sets. assuming that that is what the
july surprise is I will be one of the first people at TRU.
John
In lugnet.pirates, Richard Noeckel writes:
> Thank you John Neal for bringing this up!
>
> If your into the hobby for pleasure, then that’s great!
> If you’re into the hobby for profit and profit alone, get out!
>
> These are TOYS were talking about (Although, some very valuable in nostalgic
> worth.) lets not destroy Lego with price speculation and ramped collector
> buying. This happened to baseball cards and comics a few years back. People
> who didn’t care for the hobby simply bought-in to make a quick profit. This
> inflation really hurt the industry once the bubble popped. But, the
> individuals who were hurt the most were the fans that enjoyed the hobby and
> had to endure the astronomical price increase.
>
> If you enjoy Lego, be happy that more people can find enjoyment in these
> classic sets!
>
>
> --==Richard==--
>
>
>
>
> In lugnet.pirates, John Neal writes:
> >
> >
> > John Carroll wrote:
> >
> > > If TLC is reissuing old sets those selling old sets not be too happy (EI
> > > held onto a guarded in to sell it on ebay for mucho $, And then TLC
> > > rereleases it in 2001[1])
> >
> > They won't be the same (different set numbers), but besides that, these are toys
> > we are talking about, not investments. If someone takes a bath from using LEGO as
> > an investment, well that's the breaks in a market....
> >
> > > I will be happy cause hopefully I can get some old
> > > sets again.
> >
> > That's the whole point:-)
> >
> > > but a little disapointed cause now anyone can have a cheap army
> > > of black falcons[1]
> >
> > John, think about what you just wrote, and how silly and self-serving it was. I
> > like to think that AFOLs are above such caddiness.
> >
> > > it might wreck havoc on ebay and brick bay etc. (which
> > > can be overpriced)
> >
> > ??? Prices will always be determined by supply and demand. Nothing is
> > overpriced, unless it doesn't sell. High prices merely reflect motivated buyers
> > (and sometimes clueless ones at that;-)
> >
> > -John
> >
> > >
> > >
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In lugnet.pirates, John Carroll writes:
> it is the cool factor. "Cool you have the Guarded inn."(etc.)
John , please take this the best way possible -- it is offered by someone
who doesn't even know you so his opinion should not matter to you very much...
...but...
... you either are, or are not, cool. It has nothing to do with the stuff
you buy or the things you own. Everyone "should" either like you, be
indifferent towards you, or maybe even dislike you, based upon who you
actually are as a person. Of course, I would also assert that you are cool
if you think you are cool. What you think of yourself is the most important
thing. It's that honesty in front of the mirror issue...
I am not my record colletion. I am not my Lego collection. I am not my
collection of illustrated books. Although I myself enjoy all of those things...
.. Like me for me, or get out of my way, Baby! I am a person of ideas,
feelings, flesh, and spirit -- those things are me. Everything else comes
and goes.
=)
-- Hop-Frog
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(General note: I have no clue where this discussion should be going,
general, marketplace theory? Feel free to redirect)
John & All,
> Don't get me wrong I really hope that they are reissuing old early 80's
> sets. I want a guarded inn and a large army of black falcons. I'm just
> giving reasons why people may not be going crazy.
Indeed. As a pretty big collector of LEGO sets (Not for money, bt I enjoy
havbing them) and of LEGO parts, I would b happy to trade in the value of my
stuff, for more people having access to older sets. And I for one, would
love not paying 3~5.00 for each futuron minifig. I do, I don't reget buying
them, but it would be nice to see it cheaper.
> I don't sell LEGO or collect it for profit, but there is something special
> about owning smoething that everyone else wants. If I had more rare (or any
> extremely rare) LEGO sets I would be disapointed if everyone else could get
> one too.
Well, I think it is a good stroke of genious that TLC made different set
numbers, so you can still have that original factor. Yes, I have both xxxx
and xxxx too. I actually got that et when it first came out, but I am glad
you can get it again.
> I know, I know, Whaa whaa. it isn't a big deal. just not everyone will be
> super psyched about the reissue of old sets. assuming that that is what the
> july surprise is I will be one of the first people at TRU.
I think it is a great move on their part, and I hope it is really
profitable, and I hope more and more sets and accessories come out. (HINT:
MONORAIL MONORAIL MONORAIL FUTURON FUTURON FUTURON)
Scott "Dreaming of Futuron sets being re-released" S.
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In lugnet.lego.direct, John Carroll writes:
> If TLC is reissuing old sets those selling old sets not be too happy (EI
> held onto a guarded in to sell it on ebay for mucho $, And then TLC
> rereleases it in 2001[1]) I will be happy cause hopefully I can get some old
> sets again. but a little disapointed cause now anyone can have a cheap army
> of black falcons[1] it might wreck havoc on ebay and brick bay etc. (which
> can be overpriced)
Those who paid $800 for a single set (I have) will still have their Lego...
so what's the worry?
I think in the long run it will be good. We may see the return of parts
which we never thought we'd see again... and some we do not want to see
again (Fabuland!). As these sets will have minimal development costs, we may
even see slightly cheaper Lego... but I doubt it!
I just hope Lego bring back some good sets. Sure, the 8459 is OK. But the RC
car... why? 8460 (for parts) please... find those molds Brad!
Scott A
>
> Oh well I can't wait for the July surprise
>
> John
>
> [1]speculation I don't want anyone to think I have inside information or
> somethinig
>
> In lugnet.pirates, Aaron West writes:
> > In lugnet.pirates, Jimmy Park writes:
> > > In lugnet.pirates, Ralph Döring writes:
> > > > > If this IS the july suprise, we may be pleased sooner than we think...
> > >
> > > Well, I suppose technically, this is part of the July surprise.
> > >
> > > > - My guess is, that they had a lot of these sets left. Maybe all or a part
> > > > of them are sets coming back from the shops and my have bruised boxes. This
> > > > could be the reason for the new boxes.
> > > > - I´d bet that TLG is not re-releasing old sets. They are rather selling old
> > > > stock. So hope for the best but don´t expect too much.
> > >
> > > I sincerely doubt this is old stock. They are re-releasing some older sets.
> > >
> > > Jimmy Park
> >
> > Is LEGO really reissuing old sets? Can we expect an official answer?
> > I can only assume that all information circulating is true as we should have
> > heard from one of the LEGO representatives that seem to read and respond SO
> > frequently here on LUGNET. Sillence seems to suggest that the words by
> > Jimmy Park are essentially summing things up for them and they may have a
> > gag order regarding this particular issue. If we could have some kind of
> > note from Brad Justus as to whether any of this is truth or rumor, I would
> > sincerely appreciate it.
> > -Aaron West-
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In lugnet.pirates, Scott Arthur writes:
> I think in the long run it will be good. We may see the return of parts
> which we never thought we'd see again... and some we do not want to see
> again (Fabuland!). As these sets will have minimal development costs, we may
> even see slightly cheaper Lego... but I doubt it!
I agree, except for the bit about Fabuland! My daughter LOVES Fabuland, and
I can see why some like it. May not be my cup of tea, personally, but if
some comes back, great!
PS don't tell Sheree R. of your anti Fabuland stance. :-)
++Lar
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
>
> In lugnet.pirates, Scott Arthur writes:
>
> > I think in the long run it will be good. We may see the return of parts
> > which we never thought we'd see again... and some we do not want to see
> > again (Fabuland!). As these sets will have minimal development costs, we may
> > even see slightly cheaper Lego... but I doubt it!
>
> I agree, except for the bit about Fabuland! My daughter LOVES Fabuland, and
> I can see why some like it. May not be my cup of tea, personally, but if
> some comes back, great!
There are a lot of great Fabuland parts, some of the popular Fabuland
parts:
Lampposts
Washtubs
Curved car roof
Ships wheel
Decorative 1x4 brick w/3 lobes
Car exhasut pipes
Curved top "saloon" doors
Jail cell door
Spiral stairs
Airplane engine housing
Saddle bags
Straight stairs
Large umbrella tops
Pipe wrench
Wrench/Screwdriver
Saw
Circular Sign
Tuba
Wine Jug
Cauldron
French Bread
3x6 decorative column
Some nifty printed tiles
I'm sure I've missed some parts, and a few of these may not have
originated in Fabuland, but I hope you get the idea. Incidentally, the
above list comprises something like 1/3 of the Fabuland specialty parts.
--
Frank Filz
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Work: mailto:ffilz@us.ibm.com (business only please)
Home: mailto:ffilz@mindspring.com
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I think re-releasing sets will drive me crazy for a different, but related,
reason... I'm less worried about the value of the sets I own going down,
but I think this will make it much harder for me, as a buyer, to figure out
how much to pay for an older set.
Every time I go to buy an older set (one that Lego has not yet re-released),
in the back of my mind I'll be thinking "maybe I should wait another few
months and see if Lego re-releases it". You know, do I pay 50% over retail
now, or get in an ebay bidding war, when it could show up at Lego Direct in
two months?
It adds another variable to the buying process ...
-Greg
In lugnet.pirates, John Carroll writes:
> If TLC is reissuing old sets those selling old sets not be too happy (EI
> held onto a guarded in to sell it on ebay for mucho $, And then TLC
> rereleases it in 2001[1]) I will be happy cause hopefully I can get some old
> sets again. but a little disapointed cause now anyone can have a cheap army
> of black falcons[1] it might wreck havoc on ebay and brick bay etc. (which
> can be overpriced)
>
> Oh well I can't wait for the July surprise
>
> John
>
> [1]speculation I don't want anyone to think I have inside information or
> somethinig
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Greg Kramer writes:
> I think re-releasing sets will drive me crazy for a different, but related,
> reason... I'm less worried about the value of the sets I own going down,
> but I think this will make it much harder for me, as a buyer, to figure out
> how much to pay for an older set.
>
> Every time I go to buy an older set (one that Lego has not yet re-released),
> in the back of my mind I'll be thinking "maybe I should wait another few
> months and see if Lego re-releases it". You know, do I pay 50% over retail
> now, or get in an ebay bidding war, when it could show up at Lego Direct in
> two months?
Ya.
But just look at it as "do I want the enjoyment of having it nowish enough
to pay X for it" rather than the other way... if I stress out for 1/2 hour
about the decision, that's a cost too...
So stop worrying and buy buy buy. Or sell sell sell. I dunno. ;-)
++Lar
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
>
> In lugnet.lego.direct, Greg Kramer writes:
> > I think re-releasing sets will drive me crazy for a different, but related,
> > reason... I'm less worried about the value of the sets I own going down,
> > but I think this will make it much harder for me, as a buyer, to figure out
> > how much to pay for an older set.
> >
> > Every time I go to buy an older set (one that Lego has not yet re-released),
> > in the back of my mind I'll be thinking "maybe I should wait another few
> > months and see if Lego re-releases it". You know, do I pay 50% over retail
> > now, or get in an ebay bidding war, when it could show up at Lego Direct in
> > two months?
>
> Ya.
>
> But just look at it as "do I want the enjoyment of having it nowish enough
> to pay X for it" rather than the other way... if I stress out for 1/2 hour
> about the decision, that's a cost too...
>
> So stop worrying and buy buy buy. Or sell sell sell. I dunno. ;-)
I'm guessing that these thoughts will drag down prices somewhat. Which
may be a bad thing. The good prices are what gets non-FOLs scouring the
used market and putting these things up for sale (I think the bulk of my
eBay buying is from non FOLs). Of course if the prices mostly just drop
from insane to healthy margins, then it could be good for all. It could
also be good for those of us who are mostly looking for parts. I have
become just about absolutely convinced that given a mixed heap of LEGO,
the most cost effective way to turn it into green is to divide it into
sensible parts lots. The labor is a fraction of that required to put
into sets, eliminates any worry of missing pieces, can significantly
reduce the worry about poor quality parts (a conscientious seller can
more easily say "here's a lot of pirate masts, 1 of them is mangled"
than make sure they list every part in a set which might be in poor
shape), and lets those of us who are looking for very specific parts to
get just those (of course I have on numerous occaisions realized I
should have been bidding outrageously for complete sets due to the
numbers of parts from them I've bought, 6079 comes to mind the quickest
here, but Paradisa also comes to mind).
--
Frank Filz
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Work: mailto:ffilz@us.ibm.com (business only please)
Home: mailto:ffilz@mindspring.com
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In lugnet.pirates, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.lego.direct, Greg Kramer writes:
> > I think re-releasing sets will drive me crazy for a different, but related,
> > reason... I'm less worried about the value of the sets I own going down,
> > but I think this will make it much harder for me, as a buyer, to figure out
> > how much to pay for an older set.
> >
> > Every time I go to buy an older set (one that Lego has not yet re-released),
> > in the back of my mind I'll be thinking "maybe I should wait another few
> > months and see if Lego re-releases it". You know, do I pay 50% over retail
> > now, or get in an ebay bidding war, when it could show up at Lego Direct in
> > two months?
>
> Ya.
>
> But just look at it as "do I want the enjoyment of having it nowish enough
> to pay X for it" rather than the other way... if I stress out for 1/2 hour
> about the decision, that's a cost too...
>
> So stop worrying and buy buy buy. Or sell sell sell. I dunno. ;-)
>
> ++Lar
I've heard on the winds that a castle people accessory set is coming and it
will contain a female figure. I don't know anymore then that, so don't
press me...
Now, onto more pressing matters, The Yellow Castle...
Why hasn't it been considered as a recreation of a classic set. What could
be a better surprise than that for the big "July Surprise" everyone is
talking about.
Let's break the Yellow Castle down (I'm lucky enough to still have one from
childhood):
1. 95% of the set is basic brick
2. The minifigs are all plain torso, no problem there.
2. Horses were made out of basic brick. Could be swapped for pre-formed horses
3. Classic helmets are not in production, but the new style is. Could be
swapped for those
4. Tall, sloped bricks are currently in blue, green and dark gray. (pink
too?) No problem there looking fo rthe mold.
5. Torso stickers are becoming very prevalent (McD's, Soccer, Bike Tours,
etc) No problem there.
6. 1x1 red windows, this is the only hang-up I see for not re-introducing
the Yellow Castle.
7. Weapons in light gray. Heck, all the shields are still produced on
light gray blanks.
8. What's that leave, not a thing from stopping a re-release of the prized
Yellow castle. I think it is cheaper and cheaper set for them to reproduce
then the Guarded Inn. (Personal feeling when comparing the types of
elements in each set).
So, I may be dreaming, but, if you're going to dream, dream big...
BK>
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In lugnet.pirates, Brian Kasprzyk writes:
> Now, onto more pressing matters, The Yellow Castle...
> Why hasn't it been considered as a recreation of a classic set. What could
> be a better surprise than that for the big "July Surprise" everyone is
> talking about.
> Let's break the Yellow Castle down (I'm lucky enough to still have one from
> childhood):
> 1. 95% of the set is basic brick
> 2. The minifigs are all plain torso, no problem there.
> 2. Horses were made out of basic brick. Could be swapped for pre-formed horses
> 3. Classic helmets are not in production, but the new style is. Could be
> swapped for those
> 4. Tall, sloped bricks are currently in blue, green and dark gray. (pink
> too?) No problem there looking fo rthe mold.
> 5. Torso stickers are becoming very prevalent (McD's, Soccer, Bike Tours,
> etc) No problem there.
> 6. 1x1 red windows, this is the only hang-up I see for not re-introducing
> the Yellow Castle.
> 7. Weapons in light gray. Heck, all the shields are still produced on
> light gray blanks.
> 8. What's that leave, not a thing from stopping a re-release of the prized
> Yellow castle. I think it is cheaper and cheaper set for them to reproduce
> then the Guarded Inn. (Personal feeling when comparing the types of
> elements in each set).
Good analysis. The hard part from my viewpoint is the helmet visor. Tis made
of a different plastic and surely has been out of production for an awfully
long time.
It sounds like, since you proposed some other mods, that you would be OK
with substitutions?
++Lar
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
>
> In lugnet.pirates, Brian Kasprzyk writes:
>
> > Now, onto more pressing matters, The Yellow Castle...
>
> > Why hasn't it been considered as a recreation of a classic set. What could
> > be a better surprise than that for the big "July Surprise" everyone is
> > talking about.
>
> > Let's break the Yellow Castle down (I'm lucky enough to still have one from
> > childhood):
> > 1. 95% of the set is basic brick
> > 2. The minifigs are all plain torso, no problem there.
> > 2. Horses were made out of basic brick. Could be swapped for pre-formed horses
> > 3. Classic helmets are not in production, but the new style is. Could be
> > swapped for those
> > 4. Tall, sloped bricks are currently in blue, green and dark gray. (pink
> > too?) No problem there looking fo rthe mold.
4a. (one of the most important):
2x2x3 extreme sloped corners (currently in blue, dark grey) No problem
with the mold.
> > 5. Torso stickers are becoming very prevalent (McD's, Soccer, Bike Tours,
> > etc) No problem there.
> > 6. 1x1 red windows, this is the only hang-up I see for not re-introducing
> > the Yellow Castle.
> > 7. Weapons in light gray. Heck, all the shields are still produced on
> > light gray blanks.
> > 8. What's that leave, not a thing from stopping a re-release of the prized
> > Yellow castle. I think it is cheaper and cheaper set for them to reproduce
> > then the Guarded Inn. (Personal feeling when comparing the types of
> > elements in each set).
>
> Good analysis. The hard part from my viewpoint is the helmet visor. Tis made
> of a different plastic and surely has been out of production for an awfully
> long time.
>
> It sounds like, since you proposed some other mods, that you would be OK
> with substitutions?
If the yellow castle was re-introduced with the modern visored helm
(currently used in Knights Kingdom sets), I'd buy a bunch (for the
stickers and the yellow extreme slope corners). If they released it in a
new color, I'd be a little less excited (unless it was light grey or
tan, in which case I would stampede them for the extreme slope corners
in light grey or the extreme slopes, regular and corner, in tan, red
would be cool also, though less likely), but would still buy some (for
the stickers and other bricks). If they redesigned it to use castle wall
parts, but otherwise left it relatively unchanged, I would still buy a
bunch. I'd still be happy with my $150 original in any case.
Frank
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> I agree, except for the bit about Fabuland! My daughter LOVES Fabuland, and
> I can see why some like it. May not be my cup of tea, personally, but if
> some comes back, great!
Personaly, I wouldn't mind seeing a VERSION of fabuland come back, perhaps with
the figs more in range sizewise as conventional minifigs. It would add a little
spice to your town scene to have a bear or rabbit walking down the street or
delivering mail...
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In lugnet.pirates, Brian Kasprzyk writes:
> In lugnet.pirates, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.lego.direct, Greg Kramer writes:
> > > I think re-releasing sets will drive me crazy for a different,
> > > but related, reason...
<< TRIMMED >>
> Now, onto more pressing matters, The Yellow Castle...
>
> Why hasn't it been considered as a recreation of a classic set?
Okay, I don't know why the upcoming Classics sets were selected to be
classics but I am not so sure I even like the idea of re-releasing old sets.
Yes, there are many excellent old Lego sets that I would like to purchase,
but the probability of the ones I want being re-introduced is very low.
Here is what I would propose:
No re-release of past Lego sets,
Instead--develop and release NEW Lego sets that are EXCELLENT and
on par (or better) than the best sets from previous years.
I have wanted a Black Seas Barracuda, a Skull's Eye Schooner, and another
Black Knight's Castle for years. However, I think I would prefer to new
and different sets that are equal or better than what has been produced
in the past.
In fact, (even though we have been asking for years) I favor the
reintroduction of complete themes including all of the various sizes
of sets to match TLC's targeted price points (small and mid-sized sets
always sell in far greater quantities than the full- and over-sized sets).
Let's not give up the fight for Pirate and Castle themes and sub-themes to be
reintroduced. The Classics will be here, and I will buy them along with
everyone else, but I am still waiting for New and Better sets to come along.
__Kevin Salm__
....Lego enthusiast for over 20 years....
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In lugnet.pirates, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.pirates, Scott Arthur writes:
>
>
> > I think in the long run it will be good. We may see the return of parts
> > which we never thought we'd see again... and some we do not want to see
> > again (Fabuland!). As these sets will have minimal development costs, we may
> > even see slightly cheaper Lego... but I doubt it!
>
> I agree, except for the bit about Fabuland! My daughter LOVES Fabuland, and
> I can see why some like it. May not be my cup of tea, personally, but if
> some comes back, great!
>
> PS don't tell Sheree R. of your anti Fabuland stance. :-)
>
> ++Lar
Anti-FL? Well even the most intelligent are entitled to a lapse or two in
judgement. What hits me is that you Larry might have some reason to become
interested in acquiring more Fabuland. More competition for a finite
supply...gee, just what I need ;-) So, maybe my preference is for Scott's view.
sheree
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Michael Campbell writes:
>
>
> Larry Pieniazek wrote:
>
> > I agree, except for the bit about Fabuland! My daughter LOVES Fabuland, and
> > I can see why some like it. May not be my cup of tea, personally, but if
> > some comes back, great!
>
> Personaly, I wouldn't mind seeing a VERSION of fabuland come back,
> perhaps with the figs more in range sizewise as conventional minifigs.
> It would add a little spice to your town scene to have a bear or
> rabbit walking down the street or delivering mail...
A "version" did come back... Mickey. Not a bad little offering, too bad it
was a one shot deal, apparently.
++Lar
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Sheree Rosenkrantz writes:
> Anti-FL? Well even the most intelligent are entitled to a lapse or two in
> judgement. What hits me is that you Larry might have some reason to become
> interested in acquiring more Fabuland. More competition for a finite
> supply...gee, just what I need ;-) So, maybe my preference is for Scott's >view.
Grin.
Na, I think you're OK, I won't be getting a bigger FabuJones. I have a few
MIB Fabuland sets, and the Collins Gang gave me a bunch of used stuff that
Taya plays with, I'm set. I do need to get Mickey complete, though. Hoping
for some discounting but I may need to get it now, even at full retail,
before it is gone.
FUT .fabuland, which I should have done last time, sorry castle/pirate peeps...
++Lar
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<snippy snip>
> I think it is a great move on their part, and I hope it is really
> profitable, and I hope more and more sets and accessories come out. (HINT:
> MONORAIL MONORAIL MONORAIL FUTURON FUTURON FUTURON)
I cannot agree more! Bring on the Futuron, Blacktron, and monorail!
If lego ever rereleased these sets, they would sell like hotcakes among the
AFOL communtiy, and I'd sure think they would sell better than the new stuff
to the average consumer... I can see it now, Red Planet Protector or
Stardefender 200, hmmm, hard decision there.
<Chants> MON-O-RAIL, MONORAIL, *MONORAIL*!!!
--Kyle
http://hvl.cjb.net
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> Scott "Dreaming of Futuron sets being re-released" S.
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